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	<title>Comments on: Learning To Learn BY KEVIN BECK</title>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-536</link>
		<author>Cliff</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree PJ.......Life should be an exhilarating experience of learning and growing every step of the way.  I think God is most pleased when we admit our ignorance and be willing to love each other even though we are all at different levels of understanding.   

Pam.....I sure love your heart.  You and your words of wisdom are always welcome here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree PJ&#8230;&#8230;.Life should be an exhilarating experience of learning and growing every step of the way.  I think God is most pleased when we admit our ignorance and be willing to love each other even though we are all at different levels of understanding.   </p>
<p>Pam&#8230;..I sure love your heart.  You and your words of wisdom are always welcome here.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-534</link>
		<author>PJ</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So true Pam...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true Pam&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-533</link>
		<author>Pam</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi PJ,

We sure can't figure it out for everybody else either. Everyone has to have their own process. For me, faith IS a process, one that continues for a lifetime and is not made up of set facts that can be taught to another by rhote.

As far as Calvinism goes, I've found that many are so superstious about their belief in hell that it is impossible to even get them to examine it. That is sad for Christ died so that we could let go of superstition by having a living relationship with God rather than trying to appease Him with ritual and sacrifice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi PJ,</p>
<p>We sure can&#8217;t figure it out for everybody else either. Everyone has to have their own process. For me, faith IS a process, one that continues for a lifetime and is not made up of set facts that can be taught to another by rhote.</p>
<p>As far as Calvinism goes, I&#8217;ve found that many are so superstious about their belief in hell that it is impossible to even get them to examine it. That is sad for Christ died so that we could let go of superstition by having a living relationship with God rather than trying to appease Him with ritual and sacrifice.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-532</link>
		<author>PJ</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-532</guid>
		<description>I enjoyed reading the “Learning to Learn” article. In the past year I have been involved with conversations concerning reformations of the past. When you look back on the great reforms that were brought on by Martin Luther, John Calvin, and others, you can’t deny that those guys had a true thirst for knowing God and his righteousness. Some of the most profound truths and principals concerning grace and salvation were discovered as those bold reformers threw off the bondage of the church and started discovering God for themselves.

But something happened. I personally think they did just what the article spoke of; they thought they had finally figured it out. The sad part is that somehow they came to the threshold of infinite grace and a personal relationship with God and stopped at the point where belief was still mandatory. John Calvin, for instance, being so indoctrinated that belief was the key couldn’t quite shed the doctrine of eternal torment. So when it came to reconciling the atonement and grace with hell he invented a doctrine that in some ways was more ungraceful than many of the doctrines he found his way out of. His was the doctrine that said God created most of his humanity specifically for the purpose of his wrath and sending them to hell. What’s worse is that He attested that hell was somehow the way a perfect and loving God shows his perfection and love!

I think the stumbling blok is pride. I can truly understand how these kinds of doctrines came about, but what we cannot afford to do is become so prideful in our discoveries and knowledge of our Savior that we do not allow our minds to be changed in a way that allows us to grow. The truth is the truth; no matter what is thrown at it truth will always stand.

So how do we apply this? How do we not become like our forerunners in the great reformations of the past? I think its grace through humility, being able to deliver the gospel with meekness and having the ability to let someone be dead set against it. The ultimate “let’s agree to disagree.”

What’s my point in all of this; I feel we are in the midst of a reform. This wonderful gospel of peace and grace is finding its way out of the dark ages and dark minds of the past. It is starting to free people from the bondage that Christ came to free us from; it is setting people free to live and love. But let’s not stop it with the attitude that we have figured it out. Some times I stop and think what would have happened 2 years ago, when I found out that hell was not real, if I had just walked away with the attitude that I had it figured out. I know I would have missed out on the last 2 years of discovery. This last 2 years have been awesome, but I have had to take the attitude that I don’t have it figured out and I have had to be OK with people telling me that I am dead wrong.

It is going to get better! I think the truth is far better than we ever imagined. Who knows what awaits us on the other side, who knows what is possible if we open our minds to every possibility that God is far greater even than what we have already figured out.

In Christ,
PJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading the “Learning to Learn” article. In the past year I have been involved with conversations concerning reformations of the past. When you look back on the great reforms that were brought on by Martin Luther, John Calvin, and others, you can’t deny that those guys had a true thirst for knowing God and his righteousness. Some of the most profound truths and principals concerning grace and salvation were discovered as those bold reformers threw off the bondage of the church and started discovering God for themselves.</p>
<p>But something happened. I personally think they did just what the article spoke of; they thought they had finally figured it out. The sad part is that somehow they came to the threshold of infinite grace and a personal relationship with God and stopped at the point where belief was still mandatory. John Calvin, for instance, being so indoctrinated that belief was the key couldn’t quite shed the doctrine of eternal torment. So when it came to reconciling the atonement and grace with hell he invented a doctrine that in some ways was more ungraceful than many of the doctrines he found his way out of. His was the doctrine that said God created most of his humanity specifically for the purpose of his wrath and sending them to hell. What’s worse is that He attested that hell was somehow the way a perfect and loving God shows his perfection and love!</p>
<p>I think the stumbling blok is pride. I can truly understand how these kinds of doctrines came about, but what we cannot afford to do is become so prideful in our discoveries and knowledge of our Savior that we do not allow our minds to be changed in a way that allows us to grow. The truth is the truth; no matter what is thrown at it truth will always stand.</p>
<p>So how do we apply this? How do we not become like our forerunners in the great reformations of the past? I think its grace through humility, being able to deliver the gospel with meekness and having the ability to let someone be dead set against it. The ultimate “let’s agree to disagree.”</p>
<p>What’s my point in all of this; I feel we are in the midst of a reform. This wonderful gospel of peace and grace is finding its way out of the dark ages and dark minds of the past. It is starting to free people from the bondage that Christ came to free us from; it is setting people free to live and love. But let’s not stop it with the attitude that we have figured it out. Some times I stop and think what would have happened 2 years ago, when I found out that hell was not real, if I had just walked away with the attitude that I had it figured out. I know I would have missed out on the last 2 years of discovery. This last 2 years have been awesome, but I have had to take the attitude that I don’t have it figured out and I have had to be OK with people telling me that I am dead wrong.</p>
<p>It is going to get better! I think the truth is far better than we ever imagined. Who knows what awaits us on the other side, who knows what is possible if we open our minds to every possibility that God is far greater even than what we have already figured out.</p>
<p>In Christ,<br />
PJ</p>
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		<title>By: Bruced</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-530</link>
		<author>Bruced</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's amazing how many people DO have it "figured out", and are more than ready to pound you over the head with it. They must be really smart! Way smarter than me, anyway!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how many people DO have it &#8220;figured out&#8221;, and are more than ready to pound you over the head with it. They must be really smart! Way smarter than me, anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-529</link>
		<author>Roy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Loved reading it. I also can relate to what you say here Don R. I also have learned more in the past year and a half then in the other 28 years I tried to "figure out" what Christianity was all about. I as well would not trade it for anything. When you begin to see the simplicity that is the Gospel of grace and peace, all other things we thought we knew fade away. And rightly so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Loved reading it. I also can relate to what you say here Don R. I also have learned more in the past year and a half then in the other 28 years I tried to &#8220;figure out&#8221; what Christianity was all about. I as well would not trade it for anything. When you begin to see the simplicity that is the Gospel of grace and peace, all other things we thought we knew fade away. And rightly so.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-524</link>
		<author>Steve</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-524</guid>
		<description>Your comment on "When I was a child...." was excellent Wes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment on &#8220;When I was a child&#8230;.&#8221; was excellent Wes.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-521</link>
		<author>Wes</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-521</guid>
		<description>See comment #4 in the previous post.  "Perfect Love"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See comment #4 in the previous post.  &#8220;Perfect Love&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-520</link>
		<author>Pam</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-520</guid>
		<description>Is there any parent alive who truly hasn't learned volumes more from their children than they were able to impart to them?

Our elders also have a great deal to teach us and my grandmother always told me that we can't know the validity of our ideas until they have been tested against the ideas of another. When we sound like know-it-alls we truly are just older children testing what we have learned so far. It helps me to remember that about myself and others. It removes personal offense---though some will still become personally offended by my thoughts, my so far aquired knowlege, my hope is that God will still use them to teach what He desires the other person to know or grow to be.

Truly good teachers are not sages with all the answers but people who enjoy and embrace the ever-going process of learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any parent alive who truly hasn&#8217;t learned volumes more from their children than they were able to impart to them?</p>
<p>Our elders also have a great deal to teach us and my grandmother always told me that we can&#8217;t know the validity of our ideas until they have been tested against the ideas of another. When we sound like know-it-alls we truly are just older children testing what we have learned so far. It helps me to remember that about myself and others. It removes personal offense&#8212;though some will still become personally offended by my thoughts, my so far aquired knowlege, my hope is that God will still use them to teach what He desires the other person to know or grow to be.</p>
<p>Truly good teachers are not sages with all the answers but people who enjoy and embrace the ever-going process of learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2007/08/13/learning-to-learn-by-kevin-beck/#comment-519</link>
		<author>Cliff</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear from you Connie and I couldn't agree more with the idea that we have much to learn---always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear from you Connie and I couldn&#8217;t agree more with the idea that we have much to learn&#8212;always.</p>
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