Comments on: There’s A Fresh Wind a Blowing! http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/ It's more wonderful than you can imagine! Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:02:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Connie http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-1227 Connie Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:34:20 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-1227 It is so good to read of others on a similar journey. We can connect much more deeply and share and know that there will be understanding. I have been a Christian for 33 years and just came into seeing the Savior of all in the last 5. I was not brought up in a Christian home and had a very dramatic conversion, where GOD told me to get a Bible and change my life, which I did!! This was true repentance(turning around). Then in the last 5 years a new thing began to happen. I am an avid searcher of the WORD and often go by the Heb/Gr. meanings of words. I had never questioned the foundational teachings of the Denominations but GOD began to show me how wrong the teachings were for such words as "hell", punishment, torment, forever, etc...and boy did my hair stand on end. One of you mentioned that it takes time to believe in this. Not neccessarily. GOD is not in a box as to how HE deals with us. For me, it was suddenly I "saw". With revelation from GOD it can be that way. Just as Saul when HE fell off his horse. "saw". I shared with some and 3 others "saw" it also. We studied together for a few years and it was an awesome time. Cliff, you spoke of the self righteous. I felt that GOD spoke to me from Thess. that the "beast" seated on the throne like he is god, is that self. The flesh being the beast, the exalted self that really reigns in christianity for it is all about me, my choices, my ministry etc..and yes they are very threatened by this WORD of it being all about GOD. Someone else mentioned it is the faith of CHRIST that saves us, not our faith and that again shows it is about HIM, not us. If we can remember where we were before we saw this, we too would react a lot like we see people doing. I would see this as heresy and run from you or speak ill of you as tho an enemy. Fear and pride dwell in religion and cannot embrace this huge grace. Only GOD can open ears and eyes and bring the revelation of truth. This is up to HIM whom HE reveals to so we cannot blame or get angry at others, for what do we have that we didnt recieve? GOD choose these things, not man. The Bible speaks of different things being revealed over the ages and we must trust for HIS all wise plan that is unfolding and rest in where we fit in to that plan and where others fit in, for HIS will is bieng done on the earth. Also re sharing with others, I felt the LORD spoke to me that that was also for my benefit that I spoke the truth, for that would change me also. We tend to think it is only for those who hear us, but it is also for our own soul that we share this mighty WORD. All is going according to plan, in my life, in your life and in the universe. Blessings fellow mates..... Connie It is so good to read of others on a similar journey. We can connect much more deeply and share and know that there will be understanding.
I have been a Christian for 33 years and just came into seeing the Savior of all in the last 5. I was not brought up in a Christian home and had a very dramatic conversion, where GOD told me to get a Bible and change my life, which I did!! This was true repentance(turning around). Then in the last 5 years a new thing began to happen. I am an avid searcher of the WORD and often go by the Heb/Gr. meanings of words. I had never questioned the foundational teachings of the Denominations but GOD began to show me how wrong the teachings were for such words as “hell”, punishment, torment, forever, etc…and boy did my hair stand on end. One of you mentioned that it takes time to believe in this. Not neccessarily. GOD is not in a box as to how HE deals with us. For me, it was suddenly I “saw”. With revelation from GOD it can be that way. Just as Saul when HE fell off his horse. “saw”. I shared with some and 3 others “saw” it also. We studied together for a few years and it was an awesome time.
Cliff, you spoke of the self righteous. I felt that GOD spoke to me from Thess. that the “beast” seated on the throne like he is god, is that self. The flesh being the beast, the exalted self that really reigns in christianity for it is all about me, my choices, my ministry etc..and yes they are very threatened by this WORD of it being all about GOD.
Someone else mentioned it is the faith of CHRIST that saves us, not our faith and that again shows it is about HIM, not us.
If we can remember where we were before we saw this, we too would react a lot like we see people doing. I would see this as heresy and run from you or speak ill of you as tho an enemy. Fear and pride dwell in religion and cannot embrace this huge grace. Only GOD can open ears and eyes and bring the revelation of truth. This is up to HIM whom HE reveals to so we cannot blame or get angry at others, for what do we have that we didnt recieve? GOD choose these things, not man. The Bible speaks of different things being revealed over the ages and we must trust for HIS all wise plan that is unfolding and rest in where we fit in to that plan and where others fit in, for HIS will is bieng done on the earth.
Also re sharing with others, I felt the LORD spoke to me that that was also for my benefit that I spoke the truth, for that would change me also. We tend to think it is only for those who hear us, but it is also for our own soul that we share this mighty WORD.
All is going according to plan, in my life, in your life and in the universe.
Blessings fellow mates…..
Connie

]]> By: Cliff http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-851 Cliff Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:33:07 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-851 Ashley, Just know that your heart can be trusted because that's where God is. My path has been a journey that has led me to a freedom that unfortunately few find. I know your sweet heart and have a high confidence that you will be where I am some day. I will always have you in my thoughts and prayers. Love, Cliff Ashley,

Just know that your heart can be trusted because that’s where God is. My path has been a journey that has led me to a freedom that unfortunately few find. I know your sweet heart and have a high confidence that you will be where I am some day. I will always have you in my thoughts and prayers.

Love,

Cliff

]]> By: mindy http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-850 mindy Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:40:57 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-850 Ashley, I truly understand where you are coming from. I was fortunate enough to have a father that told me to follow my heart and be real even though he knew he was a prisonor and had not broke free yet. He encouraged me to set out on a voyage of truth. I went to all different kinds of Churches who believed in different things, but ultimatley they all would have to considered me a sinner and damned to hell. I was sixteen when I started this. Each time I was baptized or saved it was because I was scared I would go to hell or I thought it would stop me from being a sinner, but it was a temporary high and eventually what religion considered me to be was once again a sinner because I questioned their beliefs. My Dad has taught this message my entire life, but he felt he had to be in Church to get the message aross to others. What surprises me the most is that the one Church he thought was getting it ultimatley in the end was afraid to believe it and still needs a hell to put everyone in. My Dad understands what all of you are going through, but he made a choice of freedom and I am so proud of him. He will always be there for anyone who needs him. That won't ever change. That is a part of his core. Please know this, my Dad's message of Grace isn't new. This isn't something that he pulled out of the sky. He has always had this in his heart just as you do. He has literally my entire life spoke of this. Yes, he became more free to be more open about it, but the core of every message he spoke of was of Grace. You are just now opening your heart to it. It doesn't have to be difficult or confusing. Ashley,
I truly understand where you are coming from. I was fortunate enough to have a father that told me to follow my heart and be real even though he knew he was a prisonor and had not broke free yet. He encouraged me to set out on a voyage of truth. I went to all different kinds of Churches who believed in different things, but ultimatley they all would have to considered me a sinner and damned to hell. I was sixteen when I started this. Each time I was baptized or saved it was because I was scared I would go to hell or I thought it would stop me from being a sinner, but it was a temporary high and eventually what religion considered me to be was once again a sinner because I questioned their beliefs.
My Dad has taught this message my entire life, but he felt he had to be in Church to get the message aross to others. What surprises me the most is that the one Church he thought was getting it ultimatley in the end was afraid to believe it and still needs a hell to put everyone in. My Dad understands what all of you are going through, but he made a choice of freedom and I am so proud of him. He will always be there for anyone who needs him. That won’t ever change. That is a part of his core. Please know this, my Dad’s message of Grace isn’t new. This isn’t something that he pulled out of the sky. He has always had this in his heart just as you do. He has literally my entire life spoke of this. Yes, he became more free to be more open about it, but the core of every message he spoke of was of Grace. You are just now opening your heart to it. It doesn’t have to be difficult or confusing.

]]> By: Ashley http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-848 Ashley Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:12:10 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-848 Dear Cliff, I want to start off by saying I will truely miss you and your family deeply. Going into church that Sunday I have to say I was truely confused. I knew that we were going to be voting on whether or not I wanted to continue learning from you. I did not know what I was going to vote. On one hand I did not want to continue. There were many things that I did not see eye to eye with you on. But on the other hand I wanted to continue to hear you speak because I want to believe what you are saying. I want to have that peace all of you clearly have. After reading all of the comments from everyone on here I knew that I had to post a comment. I want you to understand where I'm coming from. I have been taught the same thing my entire life. Its hard to just disregaurd something that you have believed and lived for, for 19 years to just completely change to something that you've heard for 3. I can only imagine how others in the congregation were feeling since I am the youngest. Did you believe all that you believe in now the first time you heard it? I wish you would have waited it out to see what the congregation had to say. I think that most of us wanted you to stay. I understand though why you didnt want to do that. Just please put yourself in my shoes, and try to understand where I'm coming from. You stood up for what you believe in, and I understand that, but do you understand that we only did the same. I want to thank you for all that you have done for me, I really believe that I am a better person from knowing you and your whole family and I love you all. Everyone on here is saying that you have "planted the seed" and I really hope that one day I will believe in all that you have told me. Good luck in all that you do, and thank you so much for letting me into your heart and for coming into mine. Dear Cliff,

I want to start off by saying I will truely miss you and your family deeply.

Going into church that Sunday I have to say I was truely confused. I knew that we were going to be voting on whether or not I wanted to continue learning from you. I did not know what I was going to vote.

On one hand I did not want to continue. There were many things that I did not see eye to eye with you on. But on the other hand I wanted to continue to hear you speak because I want to believe what you are saying. I want to have that peace all of you clearly have.

After reading all of the comments from everyone on here I knew that I had to post a comment.

I want you to understand where I’m coming from. I have been taught the same thing my entire life. Its hard to just disregaurd something that you have believed and lived for, for 19 years to just completely change to something that you’ve heard for 3. I can only imagine how others in the congregation were feeling since I am the youngest. Did you believe all that you believe in now the first time you heard it?

I wish you would have waited it out to see what the congregation had to say. I think that most of us wanted you to stay. I understand though why you didnt want to do that.

Just please put yourself in my shoes, and try to understand where I’m coming from. You stood up for what you believe in, and I understand that, but do you understand that we only did the same.

I want to thank you for all that you have done for me, I really believe that I am a better person from knowing you and your whole family and I love you all. Everyone on here is saying that you have “planted the seed” and I really hope that one day I will believe in all that you have told me. Good luck in all that you do, and thank you so much for letting me into your heart and for coming into mine.

]]> By: Steve http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-745 Steve Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:31:32 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-745 <p>Hey Don H, always good to hear from you. You can sit on my couch anytime....and I agree with Bruce, that was a wonderful way to say it Doug.</p> Hey Don H, always good to hear from you. You can sit on my couch anytime….and I agree with Bruce, that was a wonderful way to say it Doug.

]]> By: Bruce http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-722 Bruce Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:20:25 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-722 I love that, Doug! Beautifully said! I love that, Doug! Beautifully said!

]]> By: Doug http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-721 Doug Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:28:49 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-721 While others scream the word of God, you whisper the words that all can hear (God is love)... Allways proud of you Doug While others scream the word of God, you whisper the words that all can hear (God is love)…

Allways proud of you

Doug

]]> By: Cliff http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-720 Cliff Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:26:23 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-720 Thanks Don. I also think of you and hope and pray that your experience within the church walls will turn out better then mine. I do think this message is beginning to get through to some. Thanks Don. I also think of you and hope and pray that your experience within the church walls will turn out better then mine. I do think this message is beginning to get through to some.

]]> By: Don Hendricks http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-719 Don Hendricks Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:28:05 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-719 Cliff, I understand the need to bless those who pressured you to leave, but it still means the game of religion goes on. I share much in common with you. I was a few years ago a school bus driver in between ministries, a pastor, a hoosier by birth, and one who found the inescapable love of God right there in the scriptures after I dug just a bit deeper (or hung on a little bit longer). I am trying my best to build bridges of understanding of the gospel, but the TV preachers, the system, the fear based ideologies keep people caught up in the us vs. them theologies. Right now I keep on doing my pastoral ministry but I wonder how long before the watchers who have resented the freedom will begin to do their sweet gossipy thing. I should not cling to the right to make a living from the gospel as I have for a number of decades. Part of me would rather sit on a couch with a few people who enjoy being reconciled and living the message of reconciliation. It will all work out, neat or messy, it always does. Thinking of you and your Boldgrace cohorts this morning. Pastor Don in AZ Cliff,

I understand the need to bless those who pressured you to leave, but it still means the game of religion goes on. I share much in common with you. I was a few years ago a school bus driver in between ministries, a pastor, a hoosier by birth, and one who found the inescapable love of God right there in the scriptures after I dug just a bit deeper (or hung on a little bit longer).

I am trying my best to build bridges of understanding of the gospel, but the TV preachers, the system, the fear based ideologies keep people caught up in the us vs. them theologies. Right now I keep on doing my pastoral ministry but I wonder how long before the watchers who have resented the freedom will begin to do their sweet gossipy thing. I should not cling to the right to make a living from the gospel as I have for a number of decades. Part of me would rather sit on a couch with a few people who enjoy being reconciled and living the message of reconciliation.

It will all work out, neat or messy, it always does.

Thinking of you and your Boldgrace cohorts this morning.

Pastor Don in AZ

]]> By: Cliff http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-705 Cliff Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:41:36 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/09/09/theres-a-fresh-wind-a-blowing/#comment-705 Nic......I thank you for your words of wisdom. As far as how I view worship/community goes I can't really give you an answer right now. I just waiting to see what doors will open up. And no, I haven't seen that movie but you can be assured I will now. Nic……I thank you for your words of wisdom. As far as how I view worship/community goes I can’t really give you an answer right now. I just waiting to see what doors will open up.

And no, I haven’t seen that movie but you can be assured I will now.

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