The Scriptures… What Are They?

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  1. Cliffon 29 Sep 2007 at 10:16 pm link comment

    My friend Geo poses a very good question and I also would be very interested to hear from those who preach a gospel that is based on only a possibliltiy of redemption. As far as me, I am in the same place as Geo…….Perfectly loved by my Father.

  2. geoon 30 Sep 2007 at 6:30 am link comment

    I hear you my brother!
    But I doubt that anyone can seriously study “the scriptures” ie what Jesus considered “the scriptures” and come to any other conclusion. The scriptures told of a Redeemer that would wipe the tear from EVERY eye not just a chosen few!

    Now that IS Good News!

    Peace
    Geo

  3. Royon 30 Sep 2007 at 7:49 am link comment

    I agree fully George that confusion comes when we use the word scripture in a different manner than Jesus did. When we see it the way He said it, then there is no way anyone can see there was ever given a “chance at redemption”. It’s just not there.

    Another place where confusion comes is when the word redemption and salvation are not separated. Salvation begins to occur in our minds when we see redemption. Before that time we are really not saved although redeemed of course. Salvation is a process….redemption is not.

  4. geoon 30 Sep 2007 at 11:40 am link comment

    AMEN Roy!

    Peace
    Geo

  5. Randyon 30 Sep 2007 at 8:20 pm link comment

    George, as you shared I couldn’t help but think, what would church doctrine look like if it was taken from the ( scriptures) only? Since none or little actually is then I can see even more clearly why we have such disagreement among the brethren.
    You present quite an interesting challenge my friend. The fact is the law , the psalms, and the prophets spoke of a coming redeemer that being, the Lord Jesus Christ. We have to answer a very important question. Did Jesus come so we would have an opportunity to be redeemed or did He redeem us on His own. I believe as you say that the scriptures are clear on this. Where we stand on this question is huge.
    As my friend Roy has said and I agree, Salvation and Redemption are not one and the same. I like the way he put it at the end of his comment.
    By the way I like seeing you live and in person, very cool way to post.

  6. geoon 01 Oct 2007 at 4:33 am link comment

    Randy,
    What Roy said about the difference between Redemption and Salvation was a real turning point for me. When I first came to understand that a few years ago then it was like a dam bursting and the flood of Truth came in and for the first time rest came to my soul!
    As for seeing me in a video post goes, yeah I agree! It is nice when we can put a face on those who we read and talk to. Maybe you and Roy and the guys up North could do the same thing? Just record it and put it on YouTube.

    Peace
    Geo

  7. Pamon 01 Oct 2007 at 4:55 pm link comment

    What do you call the New Testamant? If it is inspired by the Holy Spirit, isn’t it also scripture?

  8. geoon 01 Oct 2007 at 6:15 pm link comment

    Hi Pam, Great question! That is for you to answer. My post was to point out that which Jesus called THE SCRIPTURES! And to point out what Paul said the Bereans studied which made them according to Paul MORE noble than the rest. You or anyone can call the New Testament Holy Scripture if you want but you are doing something Jesus NEVER did! When you study the new testament you are not studying what Paul said the Bereans studied. So again you asked the question: “Isn’t it also scripture”? I ask again, “did Jesus call it scripture”?

    Peace
    Geo

  9. Pamon 01 Oct 2007 at 8:59 pm link comment

    I guess I always included the letters that the apostles wrote to the churches to be what the Bereans compared to the scriptures to see if the things taught in them were true. Especially since those letters are Spiritual illuminations of OT scriptures. It is all the Word of God (inspired by the Holy Spirit) and Jesus is the Living Word, in Him is Life, not in the written Word. I guess I just don’t find the contradiction you seem to be alluding to between the OT and the NT. I’m not trying to argue, just understand your point of view.

    There are many people today who want to throw out Paul’s teachings. Are you one of them?

  10. geoon 02 Oct 2007 at 2:01 pm link comment

    Pam,
    No.

    Pam,
    Do you think Paul and the apostles in Jerusalem agreed on The Gospel Message?

    Peace
    Geo

  11. Bruceon 02 Oct 2007 at 2:31 pm link comment

    It’s funny how those who spent the most time with him, seemed to understand him, and the gospel of peace, the least. Maybe that’s why Paul was sent… to straighten things out? In any event, it’s interesting to study Paul’s writings chronologically, and see him progress in his own theology, and perception of the Grace message.

    It seems unlikely that Jesus might have said, “here I am, now write a book about everything I did!” The book about Jesus was already written. It was the Laws, the Psalms, and the Prophets. They all pointed precisely to Him, and to the redemption of the world.

    Wasn’t it John who said that if everything Jesus did was written down, the volumes would cover the earth? Wasn’t the earth flat back in those days? I digress.

  12. Pamon 02 Oct 2007 at 4:01 pm link comment

    No, they didn’t always agree. Christians haven’t changed very much. I do think however, that they had unity in Who Jesus is even if they didn’t always agree on what was to be done with it. I think that is the same today. We can agree on Jesus even if we have a hard time understanding one another’s perspective on the work He is doing. As a Gentile believer though, I’m thankful for Paul.

    Bruce, volumes are still being written and they have more than covered the earth. Interesting that those ancient OT scriptures gave a right discription of the earth as it hangs in space while the majority of human beings at the time of Christ believed the earth to be flat. I’m sure there is still much in scripture that is correct that the majority of us are ignorant of and that there is more to be revealed. Christ in me is daily a new revelation. Even an old lady like me still has a lot to learn. That’s why I ask so many questions.;0)

    I can’t really go search for the scriptures you ask for geo since I don’t really beleive the premise you are requesting them to prove. I do believe that it is impossilble to have a good understanding of the NT without studying the old and none of them come to life unless they are spiritually discerned. I guess I could sum up my current sumation of God’s plan as laid out in scripture as Jesus having died for the sins of all, with Salvation being limited to the church, as part of a plan that includes all in the full demonstration of God’s Mercy in the final restoration of all to God the Father through Jesus Christ. I don’t hang on to my theology to tightly though for I am still growing and as I grow, my view is refined but I do hold tightly to Jesus.:0)

  13. Brucedon 02 Oct 2007 at 5:18 pm link comment

    none of them come to life unless they are spiritually discerned

    Pam, I think that’s the oldest crock of cr*p on the planet! No offense… you know I love you! ;-)

    The whole of the old testament foretells and proclaims the coming of the Messiah! Without that revelation, the NT is just a bunch of disconnected commentaries.

    The point is… if Jesus was/is the Messiah as foretold by the prophets of old, then the world and everything in it has been redeemed to the Father. If He wasn’t who the prophets of old said he would be, then none of this even matters! That’s what is so freeing about the Gospel of Christ. That’s why it’s so fulfilling, satisfying, and complete. That’s why I believe it, because his life aligns with the “foretelling”. Even he said that he fulfills the prophecy! Like the evangelists like to say “either he is the Messiah, or he’s a lying lunatic!” The only problem is that they haven’t searched the scripture to know what it means to be “the Messiah”. I hadn’t either until recently, but when I did, the whole picture of redemption/reconciliation/salvation became amazingly clear! … and BRIGHT!

    When you say you “hang on Christ”… why? Because he was holy and stuff? Because he did miracles? Because he seemed like a nice guy? Or because he gives you a CHANCE at salvation? Well, we all have our own reasons, but as far as I’m concerned, those are all quite flimsy. Not something I can hang my HOPE on. And not something I can find PEACE in.

    If Christ only gives us a CHANCE at salvation, I am certain to fail. I cannot measure up… no one can measure up. If Christ only offers a CHANCE at redemption, then I can have no certainty, no hope, no assurance. I’m not interested in living my life full of doubt, fear, and shame. I desire life abundant, and that can only come through an assurance of my place with God through Christ. It’s the only thing I can believe. Everything else is hopelessness.

  14. Pamon 02 Oct 2007 at 5:56 pm link comment

    A chance at salvation? No, that isn’t what I believe. Salvation is a work of God, eternal as He is eternal. I cling to Jesus because I have no choice in the matter. I am called to Him, according to God’s purpose, not mine. My Salvation in Christ seals my destiny but it isn’t about my destiny, it is about God returning His Creation to Himself. A Creation that has long been held under the shadow of Sin and Death because of the sin that entered in with Adam’s fall. Because of the Law, all have been locked away under sin and death, their spiritual condition being made evident to them by the Law, that they might see their need for Grace. Jesus came to free us from that penalty by paying it for us, by sacrificing His life that the Way would be opened that we might receive the Mercy of God. Yet, not many have had this revealed to them at this time. God has blinded some to Jesus and opened the eyes of others in the working out of a plan that He set down at the foundation of the world. At this time, He has called out persons such as myself, who were not righteous but base, as a demonstration of His Mercy, (a demonstration of the power of His Mercy to sanctify and repurpose vessels of dishonor into vessels of honor) a demonstration that in the fullness of the dispensation of time, will be demonstrated upon all in the final restoration of all things the God by the finished work of Jesus Christ. When Jesus died upon the cross, He conquered Death by that finished work. When Jesus completes His Righteous Kingdom Rule (which is now in part within the hearts of those to whom He has been revealed) He will fully vanquish His enemy as He returns the Creation fully redeemed to His Father. Then the New Heaven and New Earth which will be the eternal state when all that is mortal will put on immortality and death and sorrow and pain shall be no more. LITERALLY!

    You guys are right, this is a new heaven and new earth, actually, one that was new upon the resurrection of Jesus but is now about to pass away and another new heaven and new earth is about to appear, when Jesus, Yeshua, the Messiah returns as the Lion of Judah and establishes His Kingdom rule. These are also referred to as ages.

    In the eternal sense, this has already been finished, but we are yet temporal and we are living out the plan that God has already completed. To those of us who are in Christ, who are the ekklesia, Jesus has already been revealed but not until the end of the age to come will He be fully revealed to all as every knee will bend and every tongue confess Jesus as Lord.

    It is through Jesus that all things visible were made and it is He Who holds them all together. I cling to Jesus because Jesus is Life! He is my life! He is everything to me!

    Ha! There you got a sermon! My husband has survived it for nearly thirty years, so there is hope!;-}

  15. Pamon 02 Oct 2007 at 6:00 pm link comment

    O000ps, I forgot the original premise. The scriptures themselves teach that they must interpret themselves and be spiritually discerned. This processed has worked well for me for my entire life in Christ. The Holy Spirit is a teacher like no other. He leads me into all understanding of scripture and also gives me discernment regarding human teachers. I tried reading the Bible before I had received Him and it was gobledy-gook. When He came into my life, the Bible became my spiritual food, the very Words of Life.

    And that’s no bull!;-}

  16. Geoon 02 Oct 2007 at 6:48 pm link comment

    Pam,
    The End of The Age was 2006 years ago. Jesus came again and even Christians missed it! It was the Resurrection! The last enemy to be destroyed was death! Did Jesus destroy death? If He rose again it means He DID! AND THERE IS NO LONGER AN ENEMY TO BE DESTROYED. I can say with assurance that those who operate this web page Believe He put an end to sin 2006 years ago! Sin death and the grave were DESTROYED then and not will be sometime in the future. So there is no need for anyone to come here and tell of some future judgment or some future heaven or earth because we are no longer believers in that lie. The Truth will set you free if you let it!

    Peace
    Geo

  17. Pamon 02 Oct 2007 at 7:07 pm link comment

    Okay, geo this is where the disconnect come in for me…then what the heck is all that sin, death, and dying that is going on all around us and even sometimes, still in me? What do you guys base this on?

  18. Geoon 02 Oct 2007 at 7:39 pm link comment

    Pam,
    What did John The Baptist say when he saw Jesus coming up to him?

    Do you believe it?

    If so then where is sin?

    Peace
    Geo

  19. Pamon 02 Oct 2007 at 8:11 pm link comment

    Jesus took the sins of the world upon Him, He died for them and He covered them with His blood, so that the relationship between we and our Father that had been hindered because of our sin could be reinstated. Our sins are covered, they are not irradicated. Sin still dwells in me but Jesus dwells in me too. I am in a process of sanctification that will eventually free me from the sin that is now only covered. He covered my sins with His blood and by His Life, that is being lived out in me, He will free me from my sin. The completion of that process is my redemption. That is the day that I will awake with the likeness of Christ. This same process now taking place in me is also taking place in the world. What begins with Christ’s church in this present age, will be completed in the age to come when Jesus not only presents His bride spotless but the entire Creation free from sin and death. On the day that death dies, we will enter the eternal state. Mortality will put on immortality. That hasn’t happened yet. We still live in a world of pain, sorrow, crying, and death. This is not only evident in reading the book of Revelation and looking out the window and honestly looking within but also the book of Isaiah is an excellent description of the Kingdom of God and there is much in that book that is yet to be fulfilled.

    The revelalation of Jesus Christ is not yet completed though His work on the cross was completed long ago.

  20. Pamon 02 Oct 2007 at 8:12 pm link comment

    geo, when you were in church were you taught to understand the Bible under covenant theology? Perhaps, this is our disconnect?

  21. Brucedon 03 Oct 2007 at 9:21 am link comment

    Pam, I don’t know what covenant theology is, so I’ll let Geo address that.

    But, when I look back at my life, I don’t think I really understood ANYTHING (although I thought I did) through my intellectual pursuits. It was only when I abandoned all religion, and approached God with the heart of a child that I began to see the reality of my connection to Him.

    I am not here to evangelize anyone into my way of thinking. It seems to be something people can only come to through their own searching. We are all gathered here because we have come to that place, and enjoy sharing life with one another. We’re not here to convince anyone of anything. Debating theology never brought anyone together, it only divides. And arguing about “understanding” (not to say you are arguing) only hurts feelings and pushes people away.

    If the things you believe about God bring you peace, then stick with them. If they bring you joy and fulness of life, then hang onto them with all your might. But, if you begin to explore outside the religious box, and find your theology lacking and unsatisfying, we’ll be delighted to share what we understand.

    It will be a waste of your time to try to convince anyone here that your theology is “more correct” than ours. We’ve been there… have come out of that… and have no desire to go back.

    If you are happy with what you have, that’s wonderful! But, if what we have of God interests you, we will be glad to share what we have. It is free and it is freeing. Sadly, most people who hold to traditional religion are filled with too much fear to venture outside of their perceived safety net. It’s wild and dangerous out here. But, it’s also filled with life abundant, and richly satisfying to the soul.

    Bottom line is, we love you… and wish you only the best of life! May His peace sweep you away outrageously!

  22. geoon 03 Oct 2007 at 9:28 am link comment

    Pam,
    I do not know what Covenant Theology is nor do I want to.
    I would also like to say DITTO! To everything Bruce has said in the previous comment

    Peace
    Geo

  23. geoon 03 Oct 2007 at 9:31 am link comment

    Pam,
    By the way I did not know I was OUT OF THE CHURCH! Did you hear something I didn’t?

    Peace
    Geo

  24. Brucedon 03 Oct 2007 at 2:16 pm link comment

    Yep, sorry Geo… you’ve been “outed”.

  25. Pamon 03 Oct 2007 at 4:41 pm link comment

    If you are in Christ, you can’t be out of the church. I was just curious what background you come from. I really am not trying to prove the whats of my faith nor disprove yours. I’ve just been reading what you write for a long time now and I’m still not sure where you are coming from.

    I’m not sure even how you define religion. I don’t think you define it the same way that I do. To me if you are clinging to theology or philosphy or or other people you have religion. If you have Jesus then you have a living and spiritual relationship with God, the Father.

    Really, guys I was just trying to answer the questions you asked. You’ve known me long enough to know I’ll have an answer…all I need to know is if you want the long version or the short one!;-}

    Covenant theology is a hangover from the Catholic Church that teaches that the church is the Kingdom of God on earth and that the church supplanted the Jews as the people of God. Often Christians tangle up with one another simply because they have been taught an overview of scripture that differs. I view scripture according to ages, dispensations. I believe the Kingdom is now in the Spiritual form but will also be physically established in the future. I look for the same Kingdom that the Jews look for. I also believe that the Jews and the church are two separate peoples of God, set apart for God’s purpose of returning His Creation to Himself, which will bless all the people of the earth. I believe the scriptures to be both literal and spiritual and not one or the other. I apply this to all the books of the Bible.

    If you understand scripture more along the lines of the first view, then it would explain a lot to me. It won’t make me agree with you or you with me. I’ll just know what your talking about when I read the things you write. I’m really not out to create clones of myself.

  26. geoon 03 Oct 2007 at 5:45 pm link comment

    Pam Wrote:
    Really, guys I was just trying to answer the questions you asked

    Pam,
    I re-read all of your comments here and I don’t think you have answered the question yet? Or I may have missed it?
    The Question was… The Scriptures.. What Are They? And do you believe they are MORE than what Jesus said they were?

    Peace
    Geo

  27. Pamon 03 Oct 2007 at 5:52 pm link comment

    The original question? I believe the NT is also scripture since they are illuminations of the OT and are inspired by the Holy Spirit just as the OT scriptures. They are interlocking and tell the same story and they all point to Jesus the Christ. If it weren’t for the NT, we wouldn’t be having this conversation…we wouldn’t know what Jesus said about anything.

  28. Pamon 03 Oct 2007 at 5:56 pm link comment

    p.s. In regard to the quote you are using, Jesus was speaking to the Jews and the scriptures they searched hoping in them to find life, would have of course, been the Law and the Prophets. That doesn’t mean that the NT is not also scripture or that Jesus was saying that the OT was the only scripture that would ever exist. The second is an extrapolation.

  29. geoon 04 Oct 2007 at 1:05 am link comment

    Pam Wrote: “The second is an extrapolation”

    As are your conclusions about the N.T. Pam.

    Again the question “What Did Jesus call the scriptures”? I know that you believe the N.T. is scripture. But did Jesus ever identify them as such? All I am saying is that you go beyond what Jesus called the scriptures when you say that the N.T. writings are such.

    Peace
    Geo

  30. Brucedon 04 Oct 2007 at 8:45 am link comment

    Pam, the point to all of this is that “in the scriptures” is the meaning of the Christ event. If Jesus is the Christ, he is because he fulfilled the prophecies of old. If he fulfilled the prophecies of old, don’t you think we should know what they were?

    Bottom line, George contends (as do I) that the Messiah, as foretold by prophecy, is the redeemer… the savior of the world! Not just an “option” for redemption… but REDEMPTION itself! That’s good news to me! And from that understanding, the observations, reports, and commentaries we call the new testament, take on a whole new meaning… a whole new life.

    It all starts with the premise of “who the Christ is” and until we understand that, all the rest is just a lot of words… good words… inspiring and beautiful, but void of real life.

  31. Pamon 04 Oct 2007 at 9:58 am link comment

    geo, what Jesus said was quoted in the NT. Yes, I believe the NT is scripture. Jesus referred to the OT because couldn’t refer to writing that didn’t yet exist while teaching. People wouldn’t understand what He was basing His teaching on…

    Bruce, Yes, I think it is important to study the Prophets. The OT and the NT are dependent upon one another for full understanding. Sometimes, we have contradictions within ourselves that cause us to see contradiction in scriputure but they aren’t there. Instead, God is working to correct our inward contradiction by the washing of His Word. In time, His time, that which confuses us is made clear as He reveals more of Himself to us.

    I also believe that Jesus came to save the world. Nothing will prevent Him from doing so. He bought all of us with His blood. I just think we are still in that process, we haven’t fully arrived yet. Though I do believe that God is no longer counting sins against us. They have been fully covered.

    Jesus is more than a premise. He is a living person. By His blood, by His laying Himself down in sacrifice, He opened the Way to Life. He bought us with His blood and then He rose from the dead in bodily form. By the power of His resurrection, He gained the power to send His Holy Spirit to indwell us that we might also have the mind of Christ the He might live in us. It is the power of His Life in us through that indwelling that redeems us. Through us, God has injected His Life back into a dying world, to save that world. It is the Life that is Jesus that saves, that redeems, the individual and indeed the entire Creation that has been held under the Law of sin and death for so long. We’ve been saved by His blood, snatched from certain destruction but we haven’t been fully brought back to health. Again, read the book of Isaiah. Read of the Kingdom and the marvelous things yet to come. It gets much, much better than this guys.

    Bruce and geo, it really doesn’t matter too much if we have theological agreement. Understanding is a good thing. Even when we don’t agree it can be a good thing. When we test the things God as revealed to each of us against what the other knows, we are each refined. It is an important process by which we learn the validity of the beliefs we hold. Iron sharpens iron. We just have to keep our personal feelings out of it as much as possible so that our feelings don’t get in the way of what God is trying to teach us in one another. God does not depend upon what any of us believe about Him. We really ought to be able to discuss honestly without taking offense. Truly, I mean no offense.

    If you find a point upon which I have extrapolated (forced the scriptures to fit a previously held concept of my own) please, point it out to me. I try not to do this as I want to be brought into agreement with God’s Word and not the other way around but I am human.

    Pam

    p.s. I agree that all of the scriptures are lifeless without Jesus Christ.

  32. Bruceon 04 Oct 2007 at 10:38 am link comment

    Pam, the point to all of this is not to come to some sort of theological agreement, but to set the captive’s minds free from all the fear, doubt, guilt and shame that invades us because we don’t understand the work of the Cross of Christ. It’s OK to not understand it, but when we do, it sets a wondrous life-force in motion that translates us into a newness of life, here and now. It’s OK to not have that, but why live in fear when freedom is so close?

    If we can wrap our minds around “who Christ is” and begin to find our fear about life, death, and assuredness of our standing with God, we will know an abundance of life we’ve not seen before. *That* is salvation… the understanding of the assuredness of our redemption. It is the point at which our minds are “saved” from ourselves and our misconceptions of our place with God.

  33. Pamon 04 Oct 2007 at 10:46 am link comment

    I agree, that is part of Salvation, setting my mind and heart free, but not all of it. Jesus has saved all of me, is sanctifying all of me, and will fully redeem all of me. I am a soul (I do not possess a soul) that belongs completely to God as are all souls whom He has created. He will not lose any that belong to Him.

    The ‘point’ is just Jesus, Bruce.:0)

  34. Bruceon 04 Oct 2007 at 11:17 am link comment

    Good point, Pam.

    But, the question that changes lives is, “who IS Jesus”.

    I think the thing that most separates our thinking at this time is the future tense you use… “is sanctifying… will redeem…”

    I used to believe that too, but no longer. I believe the Cross of Christ redeemed (past tense) us and brought us into a full standing of righteousness before the Father. The law of sin and death is defeated, and when our minds can comprehend that, salvation occurs… sanctification manifests. I don’t see it so much as a process as a moment of revelation.

  35. Pamon 04 Oct 2007 at 12:51 pm link comment

    I also believe that but my salvation does not end with me, with my present or my future destiny. My salvation is a small but pivotal part of a plan that God has in place and working for His entire Creation. It is about much more than me and it is much larger than my time. In fact, it stretches into all eternity. In the moment that I saw Jesus and understood what He meant in relation to myself, that moment revealed my eternity. Yet, the full revelation of Jesus has not yet come for many remain blind to Him but it will come. In the moment that Jesus revealed Himself to me, I fell to my knees and confessed Him as Lord. God will bring each and everyone of us to this point, in the dispensation of the fullness of time. Then time will be no more for death will consume itself and die. All that will remain is the truth of eternity and that eternal state is only Life and Life is Jesus.

    Yes, we trip over the timeline. Only God can change my mind. My only desire all these years has been to understand yours. I still don’t know WHY you guys believe what you do! LOL! But….UNCLE!!! I give up!;-]

    Pam

  36. Brucedon 04 Oct 2007 at 1:27 pm link comment

    hahaha! I love your style, Pam!

    Of course, now that I’ve departed from traditional religion’s version of the Gospel, I look back on it, and can’t understand how someone could choose to believe THAT either! ;-)

    But, having experienced the certain love of God, and understanding the perfection of that love, and the perfection He has placed me into, I can tell you that until someone can allow themselves to believe that there is NO reason to fear God, they will continue to miss salvation. They are still redeemed to God completely, but they won’t be able to move into the freedom that comes from perfect relationship with God. Fear leads to bondage (to many things, take your pick). But the absence of fear allows our minds to rest and enter into that perfect peace that Father desired for us all along.

    If we came to God through fear, we are fooling ourselves if we think our relationship with God is without doubt (in our own minds). Fear requires a response, and a response initiated by us will only last a time. Then we need to renew the response, again, and again, and again… always living in some stage of doubt. That doubt will be an obstacle for arriving at salvation. That doubt will rob us of life… peace… salvation.

    But, when we understand the fullness of the love of God, and fear vanishes, there is no need to respond to His call (works of man), but only to rest in His peace, and find ourselves drawn deeper and deeper into His love… not by our choice, but by His plan.

    I know it seems like such a minor difference, but the impact it had on my life was earthshaking! I hope that everyone I encounter can come to that point in their lives, and that’s why I can’t NOT share it with everyone I know.

    You say you don’t understand it, and that’s OK. Not everyone gets it right away. Maybe you just haven’t encountered the right person to say the words exactly as you need to hear them. Or maybe that the words lose meaning because you are reading them through a mindset of religious indoctrination (I don’t think this is true for you). But, the Gospel of Peace, proclaiming the Good News of the Messiah of God will find a home in every person’s heart!

  37. Pamon 04 Oct 2007 at 3:55 pm link comment

    Bruce, I didn’t come to Christ in church and my experience is very different from yours. I have Jesus and that’s all I need. I am content in Him. It isn’t that I’m trying to get what you have, I’m just trying to have a better understanding of who you are, I guess. As far as indoctrination goes, I can’t think of a single denomination that would be happy with my personal theology so I doubt any of them will claim me! I am trained as the Holy Spirit has trained me largely through personal study of scripture.

    I try to explain what it is that I don’t understand about what you say but I miss I guess! Oh well, I’ve had enough for one day. How about you? ;-}

    Pam

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