Comments on: What Does It Mean To Be Free? http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/ It's more wonderful than you can imagine! Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:27:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Cliff http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1329 Cliff Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:26:00 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1329 Well said Connie. Well said Connie.

]]> By: Connie http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1328 Connie Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:29:00 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1328 Hi Cliff Thanks for your letter. Haha Thats funny, I too have been studying the WORD for 35 years. Right from the time of my conversion, GOD gave me such a hunger and I always went to the Heb and Gr. def. and now I know how important that is. Its not the WORD that is contradictory, its mans translations and interpretations that are off. Basically JESUS is the WORD made flesh, I find the WORD as my meat and drink, not just helpful as you stated.(Original scripture is inspired, translations are not) The scriptures you quoted speak of Israel and many see that as seperate from what GOD says of "all" mankind..And re the heart, hmm..thats opening a kettle of worms re what the Scriptures say..And thats my point...Isnt it interesting that we can all study and see differently? Hmmmm..wonder why GOD did it that way? Could it be that we are to grow mostly in LOVE and not doctrine? I was for years such a stickler for Doctrine and now getting your letter, it just confirms to me again, that such a big part of my liberty now, is that my focus is not about doctrine, but about HIM. WHat I believe, how much liberty I have, that is my builders issue, for I am HIS workmanship and HE who began that work in me will finish it. So we are not going to agree on all doctrine cause GOD has us buildings all at a different stage and so unfinished are we,,, and we arent going to know how much truth and how much error we have either, ...till later. And how freeing is that, that thats OK!!! ANyway, thats my take on it where I am now......the unfinished building that I am... In HIM Con Hi Cliff
Thanks for your letter. Haha Thats funny, I too have been studying the WORD for 35 years. Right from the time of my conversion, GOD gave me such a hunger and I always went to the Heb and Gr. def. and now I know how important that is. Its not the WORD that is contradictory, its mans translations and interpretations that are off. Basically JESUS is the WORD made flesh, I find the WORD as my meat and drink, not just helpful as you stated.(Original scripture is inspired, translations are not)
The scriptures you quoted speak of Israel and many see that as seperate from what GOD says of “all” mankind..And re the heart, hmm..thats opening a kettle of worms re what the Scriptures say..And thats my point…Isnt it interesting that we can all study and see differently? Hmmmm..wonder why GOD did it that way? Could it be that we are to grow mostly in LOVE and not doctrine? I was for years such a stickler for Doctrine and now getting your letter, it just confirms to me again, that such a big part of my liberty now, is that my focus is not about doctrine, but about HIM. WHat I believe, how much liberty I have, that is my builders issue, for I am HIS workmanship and HE who began that work in me will finish it. So we are not going to agree on all doctrine cause GOD has us buildings all at a different stage and so unfinished are we,,, and we arent going to know how much truth and how much error we have either, …till later. And how freeing is that, that thats OK!!!
ANyway, thats my take on it where I am now……the unfinished building that I am…
In HIM
Con

]]> By: Cliff http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1327 Cliff Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:04:55 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1327 Connie, After 33 years of daily study of the Word I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. The more you study the written word with an open mind the more you see how mankind has been influenced by their own perverted minds. This is exactly why God knew all along that He would take total control of our destiny even before we were born. The New covenant is not in a written code, it is something that He has placed in our hearts. Our job is simply to be awakened to His leadership that abides within every human being. Let me quote: Heb 8:10-12 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. The written word has led organized religion down a road of judgement, condemnation, and division. When we listen to our hearts along with the experiences that God has allowed in our lives we begin to truly see His plan for all mankind. Trying to get our experiences to line up with the written Word is exactly why the church is so messed up. I'm not saying the written word can't be helpful because I still love to search it finding gems of all kinds, but one must be very careful to remember that the history of the written word is full of contradictions and self interpretation by flawed men. Connie,
After 33 years of daily study of the Word I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. The more you study the written word with an open mind the more you see how mankind has been influenced by their own perverted minds. This is exactly why God knew all along that He would take total control of our destiny even before we were born. The New covenant is not in a written code, it is something that He has placed in our hearts. Our job is simply to be awakened to His leadership that abides within every human being. Let me quote:

Heb 8:10-12 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The written word has led organized religion down a road of judgement, condemnation, and division. When we listen to our hearts along with the experiences that God has allowed in our lives we begin to truly see His plan for all mankind.

Trying to get our experiences to line up with the written Word is exactly why the church is so messed up. I’m not saying the written word can’t be helpful because I still love to search it finding gems of all kinds, but one must be very careful to remember that the history of the written word is full of contradictions and self interpretation by flawed men.

]]> By: Connie http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1326 Connie Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:14:24 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1326 Re: freedom vs. obligation I dont believe we feel obligated now that we see the Cross and know our liberty in CHRIST, but there is process that happens as GOD works in us.. Just as GOD gave the land in Deut. and then said "Go and possess it"> We have it, but there is the journey of possessing what we have.. Its like sin is forgiven, but in I Jn, it speaks of confession and cleansing. I see this as the experience which leads us to the possession. Just like HE grants repentance and renews our minds, even though HE says we are righteous, these processes bring us into possession of that righteousness. So the freedom is that GOD will do it all in us, and we will then work it out. I know I have quoted this scripture on this blog a lot, but it is a powerful truth, Phil. 2:12 & 13..We work out what HE works in.. Thats freedom... Our experience should line up with the WORD, not try and make the WORD line up with our experience. Blessings fellow sojourners!! Connie Re: freedom vs. obligation
I dont believe we feel obligated now that we see the Cross and know our liberty in CHRIST, but there is process that happens as GOD works in us.. Just as GOD gave the land in Deut. and then said “Go and possess it”> We have it, but there is the journey of possessing what we have.. Its like sin is forgiven, but in I Jn, it speaks of confession and cleansing. I see this as the experience which leads us to the possession. Just like HE grants repentance and renews our minds, even though HE says we are righteous, these processes bring us into possession of that righteousness. So the freedom is that GOD will do it all in us, and we will then work it out. I know I have quoted this scripture on this blog a lot, but it is a powerful truth, Phil. 2:12 & 13..We work out what HE works in.. Thats freedom… Our experience should line up with the WORD, not try and make the WORD line up with our experience.
Blessings fellow sojourners!!
Connie

]]> By: Don R http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1318 Don R Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:55:50 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1318 Cliff- my new email address is: enotita@dot11net.net Think I got an email off to George, Steve, and Bruce, but missed you. Cliff- my new email address is: enotita@dot11net.net
Think I got an email off to George, Steve, and Bruce, but missed you.

]]> By: Don R http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1317 Don R Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:53:48 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1317 Well said, Cliff Well said, Cliff

]]> By: Kenneth http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1316 Kenneth Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:23:24 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1316 I read this cliff.And it is full of the richness of what the Gospel is all about.Our obligation is to the headship of christ alone.It feels good to be free from the professional ministers of the "law of sin and death"The obligations that the professional ministers of the "law of sin and death" have put on the flock are endless. Thank God for a sound mind which is nolonger under guilt fear and condemnation.But can live move and have our being in him without any obligation put on us at all. kenneth. I read this cliff.And it is full of the richness of what the Gospel is all about.Our obligation is to the headship of christ alone.It feels good to be free from the professional ministers of the “law of sin and death”The obligations that the professional ministers of the “law of sin and death” have put on the flock are endless.

Thank God for a sound mind which is nolonger under guilt fear and condemnation.But can live move and have our being in him without any obligation put on us at all.
kenneth.

]]> By: Bruce http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1314 Bruce Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:35:52 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2007/11/15/what-does-it-mean-to-be-free/#comment-1314 I really love the way Mike thinks. Sometimes I wish I understood better why he isn't interested in participating in some of the blogging communities who have an interest in him. He could add so much value to the discussions. I'm sure he has his reasons, and it's really none of my business. Just thinking outloud... I really love the way Mike thinks.

Sometimes I wish I understood better why he isn’t interested in participating in some of the blogging communities who have an interest in him. He could add so much value to the discussions. I’m sure he has his reasons, and it’s really none of my business. Just thinking outloud…

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