..was completely unnecessary and outspoken in a rather harsh way..My grandfather was just simply expressing his mind about what he believes in..My grandfather is an amazing man and has taught me a lot about life lessons..such as he told me to never forget this saying “Love to learn and learn to love” Is arguing over somebody’s points of views really what all this has come down to?

Live where you want, my friend. But know that we can experience an amazing abundance of life when we find ourselves pulled into the heart of Jesus. No amount of fear can ever “push” us into the heart of the Father. But, the pure love He wants us to know will surely and gently “pull” us into Him.

The choice is yours. Live in fear and find out in the end that it was all for naught, or live in love and find salvation from all your fear, guilt, shame, and doubt. Live abundantly! Live in peace! Live in Love!

Here are some scriptures for you to think about, but let me make it clear you have no chance of rattling us out of self-righteousness because we don’t count on anything regarding our performance. The only righteousness that we claim is that of Christ’s.
“1 John 4:14-15
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. ”
“Rom 5:6-8
6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ”
“Rom 5:10-11
10 For if, when we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. ”
“Rom 5:18-19
18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. ”
“Rom 11:32
32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. ”
“2 Cor 5:14-15
14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. ”
“2 Cor 5:18-21
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. ”
“1 Tim 1:12-17
12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me faithful, appointing me to his service. 13 Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners — of whom I am the worst. 16 But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen. ”
“Rom 8:20-21
20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. ”
“1 Tim 2:1-6
2:1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men — the testimony given in its proper time.”
“Rom 14:11
11 It is written:
“”‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.’”" ”
“John 1:6-9
7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. ”
“John 12:30-33
30 Jesus said, “”This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.”" ”
“1 Tim 4:9-10
9 This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance 10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men , and especially of those who believe. ”
“2 Sam 14:14
14 Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die. But God does not take away life; instead, he devises ways so that a banished person may not remain estranged from him. ”
“Heb 13:7-8
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. ”
“Heb 2:8-9
In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. ”
“Isa 45:23-25
23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity
a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow;
by me every tongue will swear. 24 They will say of me, ‘In the LORD alone
are righteousness and strength. ‘”"All who have raged against him
will come to him and be put to shame. 25 But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel
will be found righteous and will exult. ”
“Eph 1:9-10
9 And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment — to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ. ”
“Eph 2:4-9
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions — it is by grace you have been saved.
6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith — and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. ”
“Eph 2:13-17
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,
16 and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. ”
“Rom 11:32-36
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief , that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.”
“Heb 9:24
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”
“Heb 9:26
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”
“Acts 15:10-11
10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”"”
“Acts 10:28
28 He said to them: “”You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean. “

Have you ever read any of the Bible? Such as:

“For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in righteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them…Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four footed animals and crawling creatures….For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed forever. Amen.” That’s in Romans 1.

And apparently neither of you has ever actually heard the true Good News. It is not about going to church. In fact, the church, since about 300 A.D., hasn’t resembled much of anything described in the New Testament about the community of believers.

And speaking of the fear of God:
Ever read? – “Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.” (Ac 9:31)

And could it be we have forgotten Whom we should fear? “And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him Who is able to destroy both soul and body in Hell.” (Mt. 10:28)

And how do you read these? “For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.” (Heb. 10:26-27)

And none of that mentions:
1. The “fear of the Lord” is the beginning of knowledge – Pr 1:7
2. The “fear of the Lord” will cause one to hate evil – Pr 8:13
3. The “fear of the Lord” will prolong life – Pr 10:27
4. The “fear of the Lord” provides strong confidence and is a fountain of life – Pr 14:26-27
5. The “fear of the Lord” prompts one to depart from evil – Pr 16:6
6. The “fear of the Lord” leads to a satisfying life, and spares one from much evil – Pr 19:23
7. The “fear of the Lord” is the way to riches, honor, and life! – Pr 22:4

And we might take some notice of Isaiah 66:1-2 – “Thus says the Lord, ‘Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool. Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest? For My hand made all these things, thus all these things came into being,’ declares the Lord. ‘But to this one I will look, to him who is humble and contrite of spirit and who trembles at My word.’”

Just some alternative thoughts. Maybe this last one will rattle someone ought of their self-righteousness – “And for this reason [v10-they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved] God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false.” 2 Thess. 2:11

Strong’s has four different words that translate to “redeem” in the NT.

59: agorazo (Revelation 5:9, 13:3,4) ~ to go to market to purchase, specifically to redeem

1805: exagorazo (Galatians 3:13) ~ to buy up, i.e. ransom: fig. to rescue from loss

3084: lutroo (Luke 24:21, 1 Peter 1:18) ~ to ransom

3085: lutrosis (Luke 1:68) ~ a ransoming

As for “saved”, the main entry is #4982, which is “sozo”. “Sozo” means “to heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.

(The other entries are “soteria” (#4991), “diasozo” (#1295), and “phulasso” (#5442).)

All are redeemed, but only some will experience salvation of the mind on this earth. What happens afterward? My guess is that the glory of God will be revealed to all without exception, and salvation will be realized by all. (Bruce)

Well, given there are a plethora of verses that state or suggest that all are going to be saved, I would agree.