Comments on: The Disconnect http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/ It's more wonderful than you can imagine! Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:02:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: kevin beck http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2515 kevin beck Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:29:43 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2515 Bruce, Great post. It's so good to be reminded of how sneaky the dysangel of works is. It's *my* responsibility to get my self in order so God can save me! That's funny. The whole message of God needing me to straighten out my life to fit some supposed pattern otherwise he's gonna hurt me real bad is a sick, sick message. I understand why folks believe it. I used to believe it myself. But, hey, life is a journey. A process. And we're always in process. At our best we can enjoy the present moment of where we find ourself in the process. All the while, understanding no one's process is exactly the same. The past is a story, and so it the future. The NOW is all that is real. And that's not a sad thing. It's pure freedom. Thanks for the post, Kevin Bruce,
Great post. It’s so good to be reminded of how sneaky the dysangel of works is. It’s *my* responsibility to get my self in order so God can save me! That’s funny. The whole message of God needing me to straighten out my life to fit some supposed pattern otherwise he’s gonna hurt me real bad is a sick, sick message. I understand why folks believe it. I used to believe it myself.

But, hey, life is a journey. A process. And we’re always in process. At our best we can enjoy the present moment of where we find ourself in the process. All the while, understanding no one’s process is exactly the same. The past is a story, and so it the future. The NOW is all that is real. And that’s not a sad thing. It’s pure freedom.

Thanks for the post,
Kevin

]]> By: John T. http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2507 John T. Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:40:50 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2507 Don R. Youre right to say it doesnt matter if I believe you or not. Thats why there called opinions, weve all got one. I like your simulator idea. I play golf all the time on simulators, and it never does catch the total feeling of playing it in "real" time. The thing is though it is an experience of the real thing even if it comes up short. And to top it off, it helps me with my "real" game. So I guess all Im trying to state here is that even the so called "illusion" helps me with my game of life. And ultimately my life is the sum total of all its parts, not just the "real" time, but the "illusion" time too. And with that Im going for another cold beer, thats if in this illusion I still have some in the fridge. :) Don R.

Youre right to say it doesnt matter if I believe you or not. Thats why there called opinions, weve all got one. I like your simulator idea. I play golf all the time on simulators, and it never does catch the total feeling of playing it in “real” time. The thing is though it is an experience of the real thing even if it comes up short. And to top it off, it helps me with my “real” game. So I guess all Im trying to state here is that even the so called “illusion” helps me with my game of life. And ultimately my life is the sum total of all its parts, not just the “real” time, but the “illusion” time too. And with that Im going for another cold beer, thats if in this illusion I still have some in the fridge. :)

]]> By: Michelle http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2505 Michelle Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:40:40 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2505 First of all, I have to say this made me laugh... "Most of that pain will come from Christians — sorry, just kidding." Second of all, I really liked this post. I realize that I have to differentiate reality and illusion (my own thoughts). I have let go of the religious mind-set although there are random times I stop and think, what if I am wrong? But then I shake my shoulders and say, yeah right, and move along. I have known so many people who live their lives (or it seems) pretty care-free about what happens with their spirit. I'd have to say that is much better than living in fear that your kids screwed up and that you won't get to be with them in eternity. The thought of actually dying scares the hell out of me, but not the part after it. First of all, I have to say this made me laugh…
“Most of that pain will come from Christians — sorry, just kidding.”

Second of all, I really liked this post. I realize that I have to differentiate reality and illusion (my own thoughts). I have let go of the religious mind-set although there are random times I stop and think, what if I am wrong? But then I shake my shoulders and say, yeah right, and move along. I have known so many people who live their lives (or it seems) pretty care-free about what happens with their spirit. I’d have to say that is much better than living in fear that your kids screwed up and that you won’t get to be with them in eternity. The thought of actually dying scares the hell out of me, but not the part after it.

]]> By: Don R http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2504 Don R Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:04:20 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2504 John T.- My studies of dreams, hallucinations, etc; have convinced me that this life is like a giant, universe-sized simulation. A simulation that, like a dream sometimes seems so very real, seems so very real us. This simulation (experience) is preparing us for something to come which will be real, which will not be illusion. It really doesn't maatter to me if you believe it or not. That's your perogative. And you are right, "ultimately are all OK". John T.- My studies of dreams, hallucinations, etc; have convinced me that this life is like a giant, universe-sized simulation. A simulation that, like a dream sometimes seems so very real, seems so very real us. This simulation (experience) is preparing us for something to come which will be real, which will not be illusion. It really doesn’t maatter to me if you believe it or not. That’s your perogative. And you are right, “ultimately are all OK”.

]]> By: John T. http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2503 John T. Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:48:09 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2503 Bruce Whatever "real" is to you or me is all about perspective. Mind over matter, If I dont mind it dont matter. LOL. Now the term "defeat" to me, means to lose. I dont see my life as a loss. In fact even the pain or suffering in my so called "illusion", in my mind is part of my "whole" existence. To wish it away as some kind of illusion just makes no sense to me. But ultimately Bruce, whatever works for you, go for it. I think if there is continual life, then "ULTIMATELY" were all ok, if not then we are just worm bait. ;) Bruce

Whatever “real” is to you or me is all about perspective. Mind over matter, If I dont mind it dont matter. LOL. Now the term “defeat” to me, means to lose. I dont see my life as a loss. In fact even the pain or suffering in my so called “illusion”, in my mind is part of my “whole” existence. To wish it away as some kind of illusion just makes no sense to me. But ultimately Bruce, whatever works for you, go for it. I think if there is continual life, then “ULTIMATELY” were all ok, if not then we are just worm bait. ;)

]]> By: Bruce http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2502 Bruce Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:23:19 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2502 Somehow, I think believing that this is "real" is embracing defeat. This world will destroy us (ultimately). But the reason for the word "illusion" comes from my study of quantum physics. This might interest you. http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/atom/#electron Maybe that's where the term "far out, man!" came from. You don't have to believe the physical world is an illusion if you don't want to. I don't really care. But, coming to that conclusion was one of the most freeing thoughts I've ever had! Smile! Somehow, I think believing that this is “real” is embracing defeat. This world will destroy us (ultimately). But the reason for the word “illusion” comes from my study of quantum physics.

This might interest you.

http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/atom/#electron

Maybe that’s where the term “far out, man!” came from.

You don’t have to believe the physical world is an illusion if you don’t want to. I don’t really care. But, coming to that conclusion was one of the most freeing thoughts I’ve ever had!

Smile!

]]> By: John T. http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2501 John T. Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:42:39 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2501 Don R. Why in your mind does this world need to be an illusion? Is it possible that this is just a portion of our existence that we go through. In other words, like a baby goes to child, which goes to adolescent, which goes to adult, and then to death of this body. Why does that need to be illusion, is it not real? Is it not just a part of the whole? I always get this sense when people speak of this world we know as an illusion, that they are no different than the people who cant wait to escape this Life to get to heaven(or their so called Real life). In my mind, its all part of the whole, just as "real" as my spirit. Don R.

Why in your mind does this world need to be an illusion? Is it possible that this is just a portion of our existence that we go through. In other words, like a baby goes to child, which goes to adolescent, which goes to adult, and then to death of this body. Why does that need to be illusion, is it not real? Is it not just a part of the whole? I always get this sense when people speak of this world we know as an illusion, that they are no different than the people who cant wait to escape this Life to get to heaven(or their so called Real life). In my mind, its all part of the whole, just as “real” as my spirit.

]]> By: Don R http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2500 Don R Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:05:02 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2500 Bruce- This is just about the finest post I have read from you. I feel you are telling a great truth here. I, too, bellieve that we are here to have experiences, experiences that will prepare us for the true reality to come, not the illusion we are living here. When each of us finally realizes that this existence is really illusion, not reality, and that the spirit is the reality, not illusion, our lives will change. When we realize the power to change the illusion we seem to see is within us, we can truly change this illusion to make it more bearable while we live it. Thank for giving us this wonderful post! Bruce- This is just about the finest post I have read from you. I feel you are telling a great truth here. I, too, bellieve that we are here to have experiences, experiences that will prepare us for the true reality to come, not the illusion we are living here. When each of us finally realizes that this existence is really illusion, not reality, and that the spirit is the reality, not illusion, our lives will change. When we realize the power to change the illusion we seem to see is within us, we can truly change this illusion to make it more bearable while we live it. Thank for giving us this wonderful post!

]]> By: Cliff http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2497 Cliff Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:34:04 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2497 What a breath of fresh air you bring Bruce. When I see your name on a post I immediately put everything else aside knowing I am about to learn something. Thankyou my friend. What a breath of fresh air you bring Bruce. When I see your name on a post I immediately put everything else aside knowing I am about to learn something. Thankyou my friend.

]]> By: Roy http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2495 Roy Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:11:26 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/04/26/the-disconnect/#comment-2495 You said...."I do look forward to the end, and the great separation of spirit from flesh… I think it will be the most amazing part of my life." Your post is great reading. Makes a lot of sense. What I quoted above that you said is something that has been on my mind a lot over the past several weeks and of course it stuck out to me when I read it. I totally agree it will be the greatest part of all our lives. What could be greater than the total culmination of what this life is all about. I too look forward to the day that the ultimate separation will occur. None of us can really see or understand what this will be like but it can be nothing but glorious. Great post. You said….”I do look forward to the end, and the great separation of spirit from flesh… I think it will be the most amazing part of my life.”

Your post is great reading. Makes a lot of sense. What I quoted above that you said is something that has been on my mind a lot over the past several weeks and of course it stuck out to me when I read it. I totally agree it will be the greatest part of all our lives. What could be greater than the total culmination of what this life is all about. I too look forward to the day that the ultimate separation will occur. None of us can really see or understand what this will be like but it can be nothing but glorious. Great post.

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