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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3273</link>
		<author>Bruce</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how you think, Marco. Your comment reminded me of a daily quote I received today from Neale Donald Walsch (I really like his daily emails. I encourage everyone to get on his list). He says...

On this day of your life, dear friend, I believe God wants you to know...
...that your security is guaranteed through the sharing
of your love.
 
The peace and safety for which you yearn is not a 
matter of food, clothing, and shelter. It is a matter of
love. Love and be loved, and all else will be added
unto you. 
 
The world will perform its magic when you step into
yours. That is the promise of God, and it will be kept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how you think, Marco. Your comment reminded me of a daily quote I received today from Neale Donald Walsch (I really like his daily emails. I encourage everyone to get on his list). He says&#8230;</p>
<p>On this day of your life, dear friend, I believe God wants you to know&#8230;<br />
&#8230;that your security is guaranteed through the sharing<br />
of your love.</p>
<p>The peace and safety for which you yearn is not a<br />
matter of food, clothing, and shelter. It is a matter of<br />
love. Love and be loved, and all else will be added<br />
unto you. </p>
<p>The world will perform its magic when you step into<br />
yours. That is the promise of God, and it will be kept.</p>
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		<title>By: marco</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3272</link>
		<author>marco</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you brother, what I am finding as I go along is the more someone is convinced of religious doctrines as absolute truth the less likely their mind and heart will be open to new discoveries and perception. 
Life is like the ultimate adventure to the open hearted, free spirit of Christlikeness, religion can't stand the free concept and radical nature this man calls us into, I sense I am only scratching the surface expirentially and look forward daily to the expression of Christ in others revealed, people I work with every day who do not go to church and might not even believe in God bless me with their Christlikeness on a regular basis, sometimes I draw it out perhaps a bit, other times it is drawn out of me, the funny and best part about it is it's very, very rare there be any "God talk" going on, that never happens, its all in expression, 

Marco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you brother, what I am finding as I go along is the more someone is convinced of religious doctrines as absolute truth the less likely their mind and heart will be open to new discoveries and perception.<br />
Life is like the ultimate adventure to the open hearted, free spirit of Christlikeness, religion can&#8217;t stand the free concept and radical nature this man calls us into, I sense I am only scratching the surface expirentially and look forward daily to the expression of Christ in others revealed, people I work with every day who do not go to church and might not even believe in God bless me with their Christlikeness on a regular basis, sometimes I draw it out perhaps a bit, other times it is drawn out of me, the funny and best part about it is it&#8217;s very, very rare there be any &#8220;God talk&#8221; going on, that never happens, its all in expression, </p>
<p>Marco</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3271</link>
		<author>Bruce</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was beautiful, Marco!

God does sometimes get LOST in religion, doesn't he? And people wonder why I'm so negative about religion and religious people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was beautiful, Marco!</p>
<p>God does sometimes get LOST in religion, doesn&#8217;t he? And people wonder why I&#8217;m so negative about religion and religious people.</p>
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		<title>By: marco</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3268</link>
		<author>marco</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3268</guid>
		<description>OK, how about this food for thought...

the law was created by the Jews for the Jews, not so much perhaps for righteousness sake but in reality for the sake of tribal survival and distinction(from other tribes ofcourse). 

Their perception of God happened to be a theistic one of a ruling male deity living in the sky with magical supernatural powers, whom of which related to them as the only chosen ones and all the rest as heathen(very disposable in accord with said ruling male deity), and of which found great satisfication/appeasement from the slaughter, the sacrifice of animals (and later a human) because gosh darn it thems sinful people and blood must be shed.

One thing I realized along this journey is that any God in need of defence and apologetics cannot be too big or truly grand. Certainly not worthy of praise. I then realized the day would come quickly when I would no longer need to apoligize for, or defend the tribal male God of the Jews who resided in the sky.

The very essense of life is God, from tribal deity to essense of Life. Living in the freedom that Christ calls us into, freedom from laws? Not really(they are just preceived), freedom to live so freely as to be able to give oneself away, even the fear of death loses its grip, survival mentality takes a back seat(gets thrown out the window) as others are considered and embraced above the self.

I've rambled on enough, thank you for your patience,

Marco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, how about this food for thought&#8230;</p>
<p>the law was created by the Jews for the Jews, not so much perhaps for righteousness sake but in reality for the sake of tribal survival and distinction(from other tribes ofcourse). </p>
<p>Their perception of God happened to be a theistic one of a ruling male deity living in the sky with magical supernatural powers, whom of which related to them as the only chosen ones and all the rest as heathen(very disposable in accord with said ruling male deity), and of which found great satisfication/appeasement from the slaughter, the sacrifice of animals (and later a human) because gosh darn it thems sinful people and blood must be shed.</p>
<p>One thing I realized along this journey is that any God in need of defence and apologetics cannot be too big or truly grand. Certainly not worthy of praise. I then realized the day would come quickly when I would no longer need to apoligize for, or defend the tribal male God of the Jews who resided in the sky.</p>
<p>The very essense of life is God, from tribal deity to essense of Life. Living in the freedom that Christ calls us into, freedom from laws? Not really(they are just preceived), freedom to live so freely as to be able to give oneself away, even the fear of death loses its grip, survival mentality takes a back seat(gets thrown out the window) as others are considered and embraced above the self.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve rambled on enough, thank you for your patience,</p>
<p>Marco</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3267</link>
		<author>Bruce</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3267</guid>
		<description>Well, I guess this subject got boring. Somebody, write something new!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess this subject got boring. Somebody, write something new!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3265</link>
		<author>Bruce</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3265</guid>
		<description>On with the story...

In the last installment:

Friend: Well, I just have to trust God!

Me: You mean, you just have to trust yourself? Aren’t you counting on your own abilities to be found pleasing to God?

(to continue)

Friend: No, I know that nothing I do or say will change God's opinion of me.

Me: Is that a fact?

Friend: Yes, except maybe an outrageous sin. God cannot look upon someone who is in sin.

Me: Some "sins" are more outrageous than others? How do you make the distinction?

Friend: Well, sins like those the 10 Commandments addressed.

Me: OK, but didn't Jesus talk about the 10 Commandments, and how they have a much deeper meaning than we supposed?

Friend: Yes, he did. And he painted a pretty gloomy picture about how no one can really uphold the Commandments.

Me: Why do you think he did that?

Friend: To prove to people that no one can be found righteous under the law.

Me: Yes, and why do you think he needed to prove that?

More later...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On with the story&#8230;</p>
<p>In the last installment:</p>
<p>Friend: Well, I just have to trust God!</p>
<p>Me: You mean, you just have to trust yourself? Aren’t you counting on your own abilities to be found pleasing to God?</p>
<p>(to continue)</p>
<p>Friend: No, I know that nothing I do or say will change God&#8217;s opinion of me.</p>
<p>Me: Is that a fact?</p>
<p>Friend: Yes, except maybe an outrageous sin. God cannot look upon someone who is in sin.</p>
<p>Me: Some &#8220;sins&#8221; are more outrageous than others? How do you make the distinction?</p>
<p>Friend: Well, sins like those the 10 Commandments addressed.</p>
<p>Me: OK, but didn&#8217;t Jesus talk about the 10 Commandments, and how they have a much deeper meaning than we supposed?</p>
<p>Friend: Yes, he did. And he painted a pretty gloomy picture about how no one can really uphold the Commandments.</p>
<p>Me: Why do you think he did that?</p>
<p>Friend: To prove to people that no one can be found righteous under the law.</p>
<p>Me: Yes, and why do you think he needed to prove that?</p>
<p>More later&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3264</link>
		<author>Bruce</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3264</guid>
		<description>Marco said "Its not about agreeing, its about Being."

That's really what this is all about... helping people escape from the mindset that they need to agree on something to be able to get along with one another. I would love nothing more than to see people depart from traditional Christianity and allow themselves to embrace the God of profound love. My mission is one which targets traditional christians. And the goal of my heart is to help them see that there is a message in the story of Christ that far exceeds what they've learned in their traditional church settings. It is a simple message of pure, unconditional love... one which transcends all the requirement and obligation religious organizations teach. It is a picture of unimaginable inclusion and unity. And a story of sheer joy... truly good news to all who hear it!

Mindy, you will always have a special place in my heart.

Don, I appreciate you so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marco said &#8220;Its not about agreeing, its about Being.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s really what this is all about&#8230; helping people escape from the mindset that they need to agree on something to be able to get along with one another. I would love nothing more than to see people depart from traditional Christianity and allow themselves to embrace the God of profound love. My mission is one which targets traditional christians. And the goal of my heart is to help them see that there is a message in the story of Christ that far exceeds what they&#8217;ve learned in their traditional church settings. It is a simple message of pure, unconditional love&#8230; one which transcends all the requirement and obligation religious organizations teach. It is a picture of unimaginable inclusion and unity. And a story of sheer joy&#8230; truly good news to all who hear it!</p>
<p>Mindy, you will always have a special place in my heart.</p>
<p>Don, I appreciate you so much!</p>
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		<title>By: Don R</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3262</link>
		<author>Don R</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3262</guid>
		<description>Shelly- If God is ubiquitous, omnipotent, omnipresent, then where is God not? He is everywhere at all times, making up every atom, quark, lepton, etc; in the entire universe. He is not over there and we over here. There is nothing that is not Him. He is us. We are Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shelly- If God is ubiquitous, omnipotent, omnipresent, then where is God not? He is everywhere at all times, making up every atom, quark, lepton, etc; in the entire universe. He is not over there and we over here. There is nothing that is not Him. He is us. We are Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Don R</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3261</link>
		<author>Don R</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3261</guid>
		<description>Marco- I like what you said. I think you and I have shared similar journeys.

Bruce-You still amaze me with your perceptions. It was you who began my journey here in bloggyland. I still have copies of may of your posts fromseveral years ago. Thanks for making me use my brain to get to my heart....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marco- I like what you said. I think you and I have shared similar journeys.</p>
<p>Bruce-You still amaze me with your perceptions. It was you who began my journey here in bloggyland. I still have copies of may of your posts fromseveral years ago. Thanks for making me use my brain to get to my heart&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3260</link>
		<author>Mindy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://boldgrace.com/2008/07/12/believe-it-or-not/#comment-3260</guid>
		<description>Bruce said:
"Maybe it could be thought of in terms of our physical parents. We are created in their likeness, but we are not them. They breathed life into us, and it remains with us, but we are not them. We might resemble them, and act like them, but we have also been given our own individual characteristics. Physically, we are a blend of our parents. But, it seems that, spiritually, we are entirely made of our Spirit Source."

Well said Bruce!!


Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.
--Albert Einstein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce said:<br />
&#8220;Maybe it could be thought of in terms of our physical parents. We are created in their likeness, but we are not them. They breathed life into us, and it remains with us, but we are not them. We might resemble them, and act like them, but we have also been given our own individual characteristics. Physically, we are a blend of our parents. But, it seems that, spiritually, we are entirely made of our Spirit Source.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said Bruce!!</p>
<p>Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.<br />
&#8211;Albert Einstein</p>
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