Comments on: Our Father! http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/ It's more wonderful than you can imagine! Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:53:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Audrey http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/comment-page-1/#comment-5400 Audrey Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:48:18 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/#comment-5400 Gale I was delighted to read your comment - you have obviously made a huge discovery and your explanation of it is beautiful. Once your eyes have been opened to that ONE within you, you will NEVER be let go. He always remains with you as a rock and a foundation and the Spirit will lead you gently into all Truth. After all, He created you in the beginning, you were there inseparable from him when time began. When He formed you in your mother's womb, He knew you and loved you, but while growing up in this world we 'take on' a blind-fold that prevents us from seeing who we really are, and we start to make our identity through our 5 senses relating to exterior things, forgetting that the real 'us' is within. We believe the dream-world with all its fantasies rather than the real world within. It's not till we 'wake up' as you have done, that we can see the world for what it is - a sham, unreal, full of hurts, tears and disappointments. Oh we can go back and live from this life, but it will never fulfill that hunger within for the REAL. It will never satisfy us. The only way to feel at peace is to nurture that life within you by endeavoring to live from there. . As you have found Gale, we slip back into that fantasy-world a lot and seemingly lose sight of the reality within. That's because what we've taken on board since birth is very subtle and devious, and through our imaginations has grown and achieved a life of its own. We cannot live two lives at once and while living from that exterior 'identity' we have made for ourselves, we cannot SEE the real within. Making the switch is called 'metanoia', and it simply means changing the way we think (wrongly translated as 'repent' in the bible). It's being open-hearted, meeting each moment without pre-conceived expectations and looking within for those deep feelings to prompt us for what to do and say. Dear Gale, I am so excited for you as you set out on this journey and I want to encourage you to continue to go deeper, you will never but never be disappointed. Gale I was delighted to read your comment – you have obviously made a huge discovery and your explanation of it is beautiful. Once your eyes have been opened to that ONE within you, you will NEVER be let go. He always remains with you as a rock and a foundation and the Spirit will lead you gently into all Truth. After all, He created you in the beginning, you were there inseparable from him when time began. When He formed you in your mother’s womb, He knew you and loved you, but while growing up in this world we ‘take on’ a blind-fold that prevents us from seeing who we really are, and we start to make our identity through our 5 senses relating to exterior things, forgetting that the real ‘us’ is within. We believe the dream-world with all its fantasies rather than the real world within. It’s not till we ‘wake up’ as you have done, that we can see the world for what it is – a sham, unreal, full of hurts, tears and disappointments. Oh we can go back and live from this life, but it will never fulfill that hunger within for the REAL. It will never satisfy us. The only way to feel at peace is to nurture that life within you by endeavoring to live from there.
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As you have found Gale, we slip back into that fantasy-world a lot and seemingly lose sight of the reality within. That’s because what we’ve taken on board since birth is very subtle and devious, and through our imaginations has grown and achieved a life of its own. We cannot live two lives at once and while living from that exterior ‘identity’ we have made for ourselves, we cannot SEE the real within. Making the switch is called ‘metanoia’, and it simply means changing the way we think (wrongly translated as ‘repent’ in the bible). It’s being open-hearted, meeting each moment without pre-conceived expectations and looking within for those deep feelings to prompt us for what to do and say. Dear Gale, I am so excited for you as you set out on this journey and I want to encourage you to continue to go deeper, you will never but never be disappointed.

]]> By: Cliff http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/comment-page-1/#comment-5397 Cliff Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:26:11 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/#comment-5397 Gale, I'm so glad you are beginning to experience the oneness that has always been ours. You are so right about the ego, it constantly seeks to divide us even within our own selves, but their is a self within that can be trusted. It is the divine self that has no beginning and no end. Thanks for stopping by and you enlightening comment. Gale, I’m so glad you are beginning to experience the oneness that has always been ours. You are so right about the ego, it constantly seeks to divide us even within our own selves, but their is a self within that can be trusted. It is the divine self that has no beginning and no end. Thanks for stopping by and you enlightening comment.

]]> By: Gale http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/comment-page-1/#comment-5396 Gale Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:37:43 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/#comment-5396 After reading the "New Earth" I made up my mind to not buy into my ego as it arose (which it did and does all the time!) and to stay in the moment. This was very challenging at first but after ten days something "magical" happened. I was actually full of love for every moment regardless of what it brought. If there was sadness in front of me I felt genuine compassion and if there was happiness, genuine joy etc. It was not of the mental or emotive faculties, but of something else that was not from me. It was as though there was another state that existed beyond my thinking mind and ego. Yes, I continued to function in the world as usual, actually more so, but there was inner joy and oneness beyond words. This lasted ten days and then my ego reacted to a situation. It was as though it caught me off guard. I then tried to claw my way back to that state with little success. Only today I realized there is no going anywhere and no trying, it is just being. In this being there is only love. I now understand Jesus when he said a peace that passes all understanding. I was brought up a Christian and though it gave me a sense of morality and goodness, it did not give me the tools to live in this world. I did not obviously understand the teachings as they have been somewhat distorted. Thanks to the book, "The New Earth" I understand Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity. In their pure form all speak of oneness and non duality. It is not something that can be believed but something that can be experienced - and then you know it is True. Kindest Regards to all. After reading the “New Earth” I made up my mind to not buy into my ego as it arose (which it did and does all the time!) and to stay in the moment. This was very challenging at first but after ten days something “magical” happened. I was actually full of love for every moment regardless of what it brought. If there was sadness in front of me I felt genuine compassion and if there was happiness, genuine joy etc. It was not of the mental or emotive faculties, but of something else that was not from me. It was as though there was another state that existed beyond my thinking mind and ego. Yes, I continued to function in the world as usual, actually more so, but there was inner joy and oneness beyond words. This lasted ten days and then my ego reacted to a situation. It was as though it caught me off guard. I then tried to claw my way back to that state with little success. Only today I realized there is no going anywhere and no trying, it is just being. In this being there is only love. I now understand Jesus when he said a peace that passes all understanding. I was brought up a Christian and though it gave me a sense of morality and goodness, it did not give me the tools to live in this world. I did not obviously understand the teachings as they have been somewhat distorted. Thanks to the book, “The New Earth” I understand Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity. In their pure form all speak of oneness and non duality. It is not something that can be believed but something that can be experienced – and then you know it is True. Kindest Regards to all.

]]> By: Marco Albright http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/comment-page-1/#comment-3730 Marco Albright Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:59:43 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/#comment-3730 fascinating stuff Brian, I had to read it a few times to get the gist, but is very much in line with where I have been at these days, moving beyond traditional mindsets and patterns and getting to the core is no easy task, but is simple as ABC if you know what I mean :) the kingdom (realm) is within all, no matter religious/non religious background, belief/non belief in God, faith/ non faith. These are all attachments, perceptions/words/thoughts etc..They certainly have the ability to "block the view" but don't always have the ability to "point the way", but sometimes do. Part of the adventure is sifting through, panning for the gold so to speak. In the end we are still only sifting for pointers to the formless I AM that is without attachment.Just IS. Jesus was/is instrumential in revealing these pointers, as you describe very well Brian, rock on Marco fascinating stuff Brian, I had to read it a few times to get the gist, but is very much in line with where I have been at these days, moving beyond traditional mindsets and patterns and getting to the core is no easy task, but is simple as ABC if you know what I mean :)

the kingdom (realm) is within all, no matter religious/non religious background, belief/non belief in God, faith/ non faith. These are all attachments, perceptions/words/thoughts etc..They certainly have the ability to “block the view” but don’t always have the ability to “point the way”, but sometimes do.

Part of the adventure is sifting through, panning for the gold so to speak. In the end we are still only sifting for pointers to the formless I AM that is without attachment.Just IS. Jesus was/is instrumential in revealing these pointers, as you describe very well Brian,

rock on

Marco

]]> By: Brian NZ http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/comment-page-1/#comment-3714 Brian NZ Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:53:21 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/#comment-3714 Here's a more technical explanation of "metanoia" that I wrote up for another blog. "Metanoia" is the Greek word used by Jesus that is normally translated in your Bibles as "repent". It does not mean that at all and this misunderstanding has sabotaged the whole Christian faith so it hasn't been able to reach what it preaches. . Metanoia: from the Greek “meta” meaning beyond or outside and “noia”, meaning understanding. In practical terms “understanding” can be seen as our normal mindset or world/religious view. How we think. Noia is derived from the Greek “nous” which means our minds. . Compare this word – paranoia. “Para” means off to the side and “noia” refers to our world view or ideology. So paranoia means a skewed, off to the side world view. Off center thinking from the normal . Another couple of examples. “metaphysics” and “metamorphous”. Meta meaning beyond or outside, so metaphysics means outside the limits of physics. In the same way metamorphous means beyond-change. . Metanoia therefore means a state that is beyond our normal thinking or mindset. I have tried to describe the practical application of this as being “a change in the way we use our minds”. We think inside ourselves, which takes us beyond our normal minds and brings our deepest feelings into the equation. So metanoia, or true repentance does not mean a change of mind as some of you are implying. That’s trying to fit the definition back into the old religious “repent” thinking. That word “repentance” comes to English from the old French word “repentir” meaning “to feel regret for sins and crimes”. “Repentir” came from the Latin words “penitire” to regret, and “poenitire” to make sorry. It is the source of our words penitentiary, penitent and penance and related to our word “pain”. Using this “repent” definition would change the Gospel (Good News) to mean “feel sorrow and regret and pain because the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” . It doesn’t fit does it? True metanoia repentance does! No I’m not a language scholar – far from it. I specialize in researching the practical application of these things and I have been doing this for 35 years now. Metanoia is actually a very simple thing and a child can do it. It’s just that we are trained out of it from the day we are born. We are brainwashed into thinking like the mainstream society around us, religious or secular, and that locks us away from this dimension - the kingdom - which has been within us all the time. That’s what Jesus came to reveal to us and we are only just waking up. Here’s a more technical explanation of “metanoia” that I wrote up for another blog. “Metanoia” is the Greek word used by Jesus that is normally translated in your Bibles as “repent”. It does not mean that at all and this misunderstanding has sabotaged the whole Christian faith so it hasn’t been able to reach what it preaches.
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Metanoia: from the Greek “meta” meaning beyond or outside and “noia”, meaning understanding. In practical terms “understanding” can be seen as our normal mindset or world/religious view. How we think. Noia is derived from the Greek “nous” which means our minds.
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Compare this word – paranoia.
“Para” means off to the side and “noia” refers to our world view or ideology.
So paranoia means a skewed, off to the side world view. Off center thinking from the normal
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Another couple of examples. “metaphysics” and “metamorphous”. Meta meaning beyond or outside, so metaphysics means outside the limits of physics. In the same way metamorphous means beyond-change.
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Metanoia therefore means a state that is beyond our normal thinking or mindset. I have tried to describe the practical application of this as being “a change in the way we use our minds”. We think inside ourselves, which takes us beyond our normal minds and brings our deepest feelings into the equation. So metanoia, or true repentance does not mean a change of mind as some of you are implying. That’s trying to fit the definition back into the old religious “repent” thinking. That word “repentance” comes to English from the old French word “repentir” meaning “to feel regret for sins and crimes”. “Repentir” came from the Latin words “penitire” to regret, and “poenitire” to make sorry. It is the source of our words penitentiary, penitent and penance and related to our word “pain”. Using this “repent” definition would change the Gospel (Good News) to mean “feel sorrow and regret and pain because the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
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It doesn’t fit does it? True metanoia repentance does! No I’m not a language scholar – far from it. I specialize in researching the practical application of these things and I have been doing this for 35 years now. Metanoia is actually a very simple thing and a child can do it. It’s just that we are trained out of it from the day we are born. We are brainwashed into thinking like the mainstream society around us, religious or secular, and that locks us away from this dimension – the kingdom – which has been within us all the time. That’s what Jesus came to reveal to us and we are only just waking up.

]]> By: Brian NZ http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/comment-page-1/#comment-3713 Brian NZ Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:19:37 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/#comment-3713 Cliff . With all due respects Cliff I don’t think you are correct here. I see flashes of this new dimension in ordinary people very regularly these days. I do have the advantage of being in an environment where there is more opportunity for this but I have been monitoring it for the last 30 odd years when I first became aware of it. There was little of it back then but today it’s a totally different story. It’s even now showing up in Christians - and that is saying something! Like your own group here, but even they probably don’t fully realize the significance of what is happening. . This is the problem with ordinary people too when I see that flash of recognition in their eyes and feel it well up in me. They don’t understand the potential of what they are connecting with. . “For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming (presence) of the Son of Man (the son of oneself) be.” . So I can’t see it taking 1,000 years, or anything like it – I haven’t got the time to wait that long anyway! We can have it now. It only requires “metanoia” repentance. This understanding of repentance (what it means in practice) has never been understood by the Church, yet it is all that we are required to do. . If any of you are interested in a practical example of “metanoia” repentance which you could probably relate to, Google “Jim’s Blog”. It’s where I met Bruce. Go to the topic “My So-Concepted Life”. On this particular thread there is an ex IC lady, Jane, who describes it very well and she shows how we are able to connect with this in-built unity that runs through all of humankind in spite of what they may believe. . Scroll down until you find Jane's first comment. You can't help feeling joyful for her with the obvious delight she shows in discovering this new toy! You'll see Audrey and I there too putting in our penny's worth! . All I can do is encourage all of you to keep on going because we need each other to help us through - that's it's nature - we can't do it on our own. Cliff
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With all due respects Cliff I don’t think you are correct here. I see flashes of this new dimension in ordinary people very regularly these days. I do have the advantage of being in an environment where there is more opportunity for this but I have been monitoring it for the last 30 odd years when I first became aware of it. There was little of it back then but today it’s a totally different story. It’s even now showing up in Christians – and that is saying something! Like your own group here, but even they probably don’t fully realize the significance of what is happening.
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This is the problem with ordinary people too when I see that flash of recognition in their eyes and feel it well up in me. They don’t understand the potential of what they are connecting with.
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“For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming (presence) of the Son of Man (the son of oneself) be.”
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So I can’t see it taking 1,000 years, or anything like it – I haven’t got the time to wait that long anyway! We can have it now. It only requires “metanoia” repentance. This understanding of repentance (what it means in practice) has never been understood by the Church, yet it is all that we are required to do.
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If any of you are interested in a practical example of “metanoia” repentance which you could probably relate to, Google “Jim’s Blog”. It’s where I met Bruce. Go to the topic “My So-Concepted Life”. On this particular thread there is an ex IC lady, Jane, who describes it very well and she shows how we are able to connect with this in-built unity that runs through all of humankind in spite of what they may believe.
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Scroll down until you find Jane’s first comment. You can’t help feeling joyful for her with the obvious delight she shows in discovering this new toy! You’ll see Audrey and I there too putting in our penny’s worth!
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All I can do is encourage all of you to keep on going because we need each other to help us through – that’s it’s nature – we can’t do it on our own.

]]> By: Brian NZ http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/comment-page-1/#comment-3712 Brian NZ Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:57:52 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/#comment-3712 Cliff . With all due respects Cliff I don’t think you are correct here. I see flashes of this new dimension in ordinary people very regularly these days. I do have the advantage of being in an environment where there is more opportunity for this but I have been monitoring it for the last 30 odd years when I first became aware of it. There was little of it back then but today it’s a totally different story. It’s even now showing up in Christians - and that is saying something! Like your own group here, but even they probably don’t fully realize the significance of what is happening. . This is the problem with ordinary people too when I see that flash of recognition in their eyes and feel it well up in me. They don’t understand the potential of what they are connecting with. . “For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming (presence) of the Son of Man (the son of oneself) be.” . So I can’t see it taking 1,000 years, or anything like it – I haven’t got the time to wait that long anyway! We can have it now. It only requires “metanoia” repentance. This understanding of repentance (what it means in practice) has never been understood by the Church, yet it is all that we are required to do. . If any of you are interested in a practical example of “metanoia” repentance which you could probably relate to, go to Jim’s Blog. It’s where I met Bruce. On this particular thread there is an ex IC lady, Jane, who describes it very well and it shows how we are able to connect with this in-built unity that runs through all of humankind in spite of what they may believe. . The thread is http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=501 . Scroll down until you find Jane's first comment. You can't help feeling joyful for her with the obvious delight she shows in discovering this new toy! You'll see Audrey and I there too putting in our penny's worth! . Keep on going, all of you, because we need each other to help us through - that's it's nature - we can't do it on our own. Cliff
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With all due respects Cliff I don’t think you are correct here. I see flashes of this new dimension in ordinary people very regularly these days. I do have the advantage of being in an environment where there is more opportunity for this but I have been monitoring it for the last 30 odd years when I first became aware of it. There was little of it back then but today it’s a totally different story. It’s even now showing up in Christians – and that is saying something! Like your own group here, but even they probably don’t fully realize the significance of what is happening.
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This is the problem with ordinary people too when I see that flash of recognition in their eyes and feel it well up in me. They don’t understand the potential of what they are connecting with.
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“For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming (presence) of the Son of Man (the son of oneself) be.”
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So I can’t see it taking 1,000 years, or anything like it – I haven’t got the time to wait that long anyway! We can have it now. It only requires “metanoia” repentance. This understanding of repentance (what it means in practice) has never been understood by the Church, yet it is all that we are required to do.
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If any of you are interested in a practical example of “metanoia” repentance which you could probably relate to, go to Jim’s Blog. It’s where I met Bruce. On this particular thread there is an ex IC lady, Jane, who describes it very well and it shows how we are able to connect with this in-built unity that runs through all of humankind in spite of what they may believe.
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The thread is http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/?p=501
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Scroll down until you find Jane’s first comment. You can’t help feeling joyful for her with the obvious delight she shows in discovering this new toy! You’ll see Audrey and I there too putting in our penny’s worth!
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Keep on going, all of you, because we need each other to help us through – that’s it’s nature – we can’t do it on our own.

]]> By: Audrey http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/comment-page-1/#comment-3711 Audrey Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:40:42 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/#comment-3711 Cliff, I fear I have been taking up rather a lot of room on this blog, but I've been thinking about your reply to me all day and hoping that someone else would write in and encourage you to see that the fig tree is indeed in leaf. We don't have to wait a thousand years, we are living in the promised time now and we must be ready because the bridegroom is even at the door. The signs are all around us, the Father is drawing people who have rebelled against the phoniness of religion and the emptiness of the world, bringing them together, and as they begin to speak from their hearts to one another, they are finding that Father is within them. He is the connecting current, and he is opening our eyes to see that the Kingdom is available to us right now. Thirty years ago, I grant you it was rare, but today you see it popping up all over the place, especially in the last 6 months. Be encouraged Cliff, you are on the right track and greatly loved. There is so much just around the corner, so let's all keep going deeper and find out what's in store for us so we can get out there and heal the nations. Cliff, I fear I have been taking up rather a lot of room on this blog, but I’ve been thinking about your reply to me all day and hoping that someone else would write in and encourage you to see that the fig tree is indeed in leaf. We don’t have to wait a thousand years, we are living in the promised time now and we must be ready because the bridegroom is even at the door. The signs are all around us, the Father is drawing people who have rebelled against the phoniness of religion and the emptiness of the world, bringing them together, and as they begin to speak from their hearts to one another, they are finding that Father is within them. He is the connecting current, and he is opening our eyes to see that the Kingdom is available to us right now. Thirty years ago, I grant you it was rare, but today you see it popping up all over the place, especially in the last 6 months. Be encouraged Cliff, you are on the right track and greatly loved. There is so much just around the corner, so let’s all keep going deeper and find out what’s in store for us so we can get out there and heal the nations.

]]> By: Cliff http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/comment-page-1/#comment-3710 Cliff Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:27:52 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/#comment-3710 I believe it will be rare instances where we really connect and it will only happen with individuals who have come to the knowledge of this grace and peace. It is rare now but it is also a growing environment where more and more souls are joining the ranks of this freedom to be who we are. Who knows, maybe in a thousand years it will become the norm. Cliff I believe it will be rare instances where we really connect and it will only happen with individuals who have come to the knowledge of this grace and peace. It is rare now but it is also a growing environment where more and more souls are joining the ranks of this freedom to be who we are. Who knows, maybe in a thousand years it will become the norm.

Cliff

]]> By: Audrey http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/comment-page-1/#comment-3709 Audrey Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:55:13 +0000 http://boldgrace.com/2008/09/26/our-father/#comment-3709 Cliff, all that is very true and in addition I'm finding just as much phoniness outside the IC as in it. Everywhere there are traditions and fixed ideas that blind us to our real selves and the Father in us. Some are readily identified but others are more subtle. How then can we truly relate to each other, what is the trick when we've taken all this 'stuff' on board? Isn't the REAL connection with others found only in the Father? Isn't that feeling of light bursting within us, bringing joy and happiness? And, if so, how do we REMAIN in the light? Cliff, all that is very true and in addition I’m finding just as much phoniness outside the IC as in it. Everywhere there are traditions and fixed ideas that blind us to our real selves and the Father in us. Some are readily identified but others are more subtle. How then can we truly relate to each other, what is the trick when we’ve taken all this ’stuff’ on board? Isn’t the REAL connection with others found only in the Father? Isn’t that feeling of light bursting within us, bringing joy and happiness? And, if so, how do we REMAIN in the light?

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